@X,Y,"and Z" OK this better be my last post about this here otherwise people will give me too much grief for being too rambling and posting too much. Yeah I knew he was driving - BUT, you just mentioned 2 facts that nobody ever told me or I never read anywhere... that it was on a MOTORWAY in a LAMBOURGHINI. Cause nobody had said any different I'd just thought it was in a normal car just going down a normal road - so I'd never understood why Chris didn't just hit the brakes - in fact I thought he must have done that and then the fight carried on. OK - that does put a different perspective on things. WOW - like I said when I first ever looked at this - its way complicated - glad I don't have to be a judge or on a jury - problem being I guess if you're someone who's experience DV before it can make you prejudiced to guys when you hear of an incident. On a lighter note I noticed you said 'HIS cell phone message' - well it might not be right - but all you guys ought to know that every girl I know including me checks their BF's messages so, if you don't want to get caught....