@Bluekid Yeah true re the distance bit. By the way though I wasn't thinking CB with that post - his situation is way different to the Charlie / Mel one - they are serial abusers + there's nothing to say, that I heard anyway, that they got hit first... and Mel's like what now 60 or something? He should have learnt to change his ways by now - but of course he never will because he's always been allowed to get away with it. My own solution to the problem was to go to Karate lessons - 7 years of those and any guy who starts it with.... Not that I'm a violent person or anything.