@X,Y,"and Z" Yeah in Europe plus I'm not like in the marketing side of things or publishing or anything - I just sit at my mixing desk twiddling knobs and sliders or more often doing the same thing with my laptop - and every now and then (well twice so far) I get paid to do some backing vocals at live gigs - I'm a very small cog in it all, not like some producer or anything. Oh and my BF's in a band too. But none of the stuff I work on is urban at all - all pop and electro. Plus as I've probably said before (as I tend to go on and on) I've only got into the whole urban music scene in the last couple of years so I don't claim any great knowledge of the scene - I only just discovered Keri is a songwriter - I only ever came across her because of that Timbo' collab. Plus you've now mentioned loads of other people I've never heard of - so its back to Google to look up Chrisette Michele, Ledisi, Ester Dean.