"Her sound is growing with how she’s growing, not because she’s a mother though. She’s just musically growing into a place -- it’s the same place we were in with 4. I think 4 was one of those, what I call, ‘the corner’ albums -- same album that Rihanna did when she did Rated R. There are albums that you turn a corner on that aren’t always taken for the glitz and glamour of things, because it’s not as commercial. But they’re corner albums, and they have to be there. She had to turn that corner with 4 in order to get to where we’re trying to go right now."