I get where you're coming from @JohnVidal, talent is secondary within the music scene and I hate to that many people with the talent cannot succeed but what I realized is that artists come in all shapes and sizes, some have more talent or qualities than others. Though that still doesn't change the fact they all are making music. My fave is Rihanna but I like to believe that I, amongst a few others can acknowledge the fact that my fave isn't that GREAT of a singer and most likely will never be one but that's okay because she makes music that speaks to me more so than any other current mainstream artist. I really love Celine Dion "in my Kathy griffin voice", Mariah Carey and Janet but they lived their primes and now it's time for Betonce, Riri, Katy Perry , Adele and the others to shine. John you went in on Lovebird for stannjng for chart positions but don't you stab for sales? Don't be a hypocrite because I know how pressed these can be and how they can change your stance on something, anyways, I think my fave is talented. It may not being a vocalist but she is talented at marketing herself and knowing what hit to choose for her albums