Lmaooooooo Madonna cannot sing, nor dance. Her production and gimmicks carried her.. Talking about politics, using shock value & trying to push buttons is not talent.. William Orbit was the main force behind "Ray Of Light". Mariah talks about a whole host of issues, love, heartbreak, happiness, inspiration, courage, she's blended and dabbled into more genres than Madonna. Mariah is also an actual singer songwriter. She's practically bigger than Madonna in the US & ASIA !! Europe caters to dance pop, that is Madonna's bread and butter.. On sheer talent MARIAH >>>> ...... Madonna if stripped down to just a mic is..... Lol.... She isn't a prolific songwriter.. Alot of producers give artists credit whom haven't made many contributions to the actual music, rather it's that pull in the industry that draws producers to give certain artists credit.. Mariah is an R&b/Pop artist not just an r&b artist. A.Keys is more of an r&b artist. That payola crap is for the birds. A lot of labels do things for their artist to succeed.. Mariah was just working her azz off.. Moreover, of course Madonna had to talk about a plethora of topics, because she wasn't as talented as the other ladies. She wasn't going to just stand & sing, or freestyle & dance..