She hasn't fine tuned the balance between sass and insecurity. Even sass-powerhouse, Aretha, came across humble. JHud and Clarkson always bring the interview back to themselves as opposed to Oprah, who seemed to go smoothly where he interviewee wanted to take us. Mark my words: 5 years from now (if the show lasts that long), reports will come out of an intense JHud and work environment behind the scenes. At least Ellen was fun-ish.