As anyone familiar with Tamar Braxton‘s brand will attest, the term outspoken defines her.
Hence, it was little surprise that when stopping by the Angie Martinez Show on Power 105.1 to promote new single ‘If I Don’t Have You’ the youngest of the Braxton clan served up a number of notable soundbites.
Indeed, beyond confirming that new album ‘Calling All Lovers’ has been been bumped from its July release to September 11th, the 38-year-old made an interesting observation about Rihanna.
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The comment came when on the chat turned to the topic of Sam Smith winning ‘Best Newcomer’ at the recent BET Awards.
Weighing in, Braxton congratulated him – but was quick to emphasize that his music is not R&B. She went on to add, in regard to RiRi…
“I had an issue with Rihanna being nominated at the Grammys for Best R&B Album. She doesn’t sing R&B music. She is a Pop star. You know what I’m saying? I had an issue with that a little bit.
I love her though.
[In response to “what makes something R&B”] It’s called Rhythm and Blues. Ribs and Barbecue. It’s not twerk music. It’s soulful. That’s R&B music.
Every song of [Rihanna’s] that I’ve got my complete and utter life to has been (while) twerking. I love her and I’m one of her biggest fans period, but that’s not R&B music.
Beyonce, for me, is more R&B than what Rihanna music would be considered.”
[Tea poured at the 9.00 mark]
While we, by and large, agree with Tamar’s comments, it is also understandable why there tends to be so much confusion when it comes to genre classification these days.
For, in an era where actually being able to “sing-sing” is almost seen as a hindrance on radio, we’ve seen a shift towards singers almost talking over beats; beats which are skewing more Hip-Hop by the day. It’s no wonder why the lines defining “what is what” are so gaussian blurred.
Then, of course, there’s the politics of race.
Rihanna releases an album that is more Pop/Urban than it is Urban/Pop and is labelled “R&B.” Yet, her lighter hued rivals make similar music, but are placed in the “Pop” categories. Something is off and has been off for a while.
For yours truly, there is nothing wrong with the likes of Sam Smith or Adele being deemed soulful. However, the problem arises when said artists are scooping awards and nominations in both the Pop and R&B categories, whereas many of their darker contemporaries making the same music aren’t getting recognition in either. And when they do, drawing on the Rihanna example, there tends to be a misclassification.
From where we’re standing, Ms. Fenty’s McMusic skews more Pop than it does Urban, hence it’s understandable why her being up for R&B awards for Pop music is rustling the feathers of Tamar and more.
There truly is space for everyone, but the framework to accommodate and reward needs revising.
Anyway, enough of our rambling…
tAMAR needs to focus on her own brand. Why wasn’t STAY and FIGHT a single? Stay and Fight’s message and vocal is better than both “buzz” singles she has released. BAD move. Tamar along with Mariah Carey who allowed FADED her best single since shake it off to not be heard. These artist are dropping the ball and NOT listening to fans. If Tamar would have released Stay and Fight, the female demograpich would have got there life. If Mariah Carey would stop chasing butterflies and released FADED she would not be deemed washed up.
Rihanna can not sing, she is a model. That’s it. A model, all 3 singles are trash. Bout time the public caught up with it. Beyonce, releases the right singles with each product and releases videos to each single.
Stay and fight slays
But honey those last two singles and that video she released with NeNe leaks is a hot mess. Tamar started strong with Her first 3 singles and now the steam has run out and she screaming tone-deaf on her last two singles.
She’s still mad unapologetic snatched that Grammy award.
but did she lie though? That’s the same thing that black people complain about when white people win awards for music that they bite Rihanna sings mainstream music and then make the ratchet song and people claim that it’s R&B that’s a slap in the face
Whoever is portraying to be a fan of Missy and not agreeing to Tamar’s FACTUAL INFO ON R&B needs to sit! That was facts ! Sam smith is a good songwriter and artist but he doesn’t sing RNB AND NIETHER DOES RIHANNA!
Sam smith sings soul tho at least
How do you still not know how the industry works?? The label chooses singles based on how they want to market the artists. An artist can make a case for a certain single to be released but they do not make the final decision except in rare cases where they have tremendous clout or a strong relationship with the label ceo. Even then you only want to battle against your boss when it’s absolutely necessary and you are 100% sure of a single’s success.
See what happens when you skip rehab.
Is it me or does Tamar’s song sounds like Whitney Houston’s I HAVE NOTHING and Alicia Keys song IF I ANI’T GOT YOU?
Well blame the industry not Rihanna tbh they put her in those categories because of the color of her skin but we already knew that. They won’t give Bey or Rih best album of the year that will go to some white artist but they will win best r&b album hmmmmmm.
She did blame them. Who did cici blame for her last fl-LOP ass cd love?? ????
Cici got u pressed
And still outselling American flop again with very little effort
No lies detected!
Oh and fellow commentators…there’s a new sheriff in town and your faves better watch their wigs cause I’m here to snatch, shade and spill truth tea!
What new sheriff? I know it ain’t that slightly auto-tuned girl with that Lauryn Hill/Natasha Beddingfield sounding ass song? If so, she’s not quite there yet. Then again, certain people will make any attempt to distract people from the CURRENT Queen.
Rihanna is pop/urban with RnB moments, she not a real singer like beyonce, mariah, whitney or any of them older ladies; Like Rihanna would never sing the National Anthem or something like that but shes pretty and thats her claim to fame
I’m with you on most of this but if Ciara can do the National Anthem, surely Rihanna will be next. Hell, I would have taken her for MLB. ????
Plays hero **
Ciara voice trembled but she ain’t sound like no goat
With all that Damn cracking and yodeling
RIHANNA’S TIME IS UP; DONE.COM—) TAMAR IS A REAL SINGER WHICH SHE ALWAYS CAN FALL BACK ON. RIHANNA with her nasty ugly tattoos and fallen era is destroying her career
You a dry p**** hating b****,your time is up off welfare,u broke dirty nasty sewage stinking p** ass,
Even if Rihanna’s time is up, Tamar’s time will never come.. bloop
so not feeling rihanna anymore she seems like an overrated drug addict promoting weed smoking on IG she tired #rehab
i dont like rihanna anymore but i love ciaras new video ciara looks like she put alot of love and work into that video, rihanna is lazy lazy lazy and it shows from her poor videos to corny live performances
Her vids are good but that’s about it
It’s all image
U notice her fans never say “she killed that song” “yaaas she slayed that performance ”
It’s “look at her ! She’s sickening”
I mean they may as well Stan for cara delevigne
Well she told no lies. Rihanna is not an r&b singer so she shouldn’t be nominated for r&b Grammys. The industry does think that just because you’re black, you’re r&b. She belongs in the pop category with Katy and gags and whoever else. Hearing Her name in a category next to ledisi and Alicia keys… mmm… The only thing she has in common with those women is race.
preachhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Ledisi is a vocal beast and Alicia keys is pure Rnb. Rihanna? girl bye
First And foremost Tamar you need to be worrying about you getting a Grammy and making sure that K Michelle don’t steal your light cause she is almost there!!!! Secondly Rihnna is RnB as well as other genres of music she’s pop Rock rnb islands contemporary which is what she got her last Grammy for she has killed each genre of music with at least a number one track ie her 13 number ones and her 9 Grammy’s. I can’t stand when they try to come for a bad b**** like Rihanna that’s has done her work to be where she is at give props when its due Tamar stop being a hater ur life n worry about getting to where Rihanna is by yourself.
SN: If the legendary Toni Braxton was my sister and I can sing better than Toni there is no way my singing career would be where yours is Tamar that has a lot to say about the type of person u are Think aboit it !!!!!
gurlllllllll; rihanna is last years news; her videos are late, her singles are trash and her navy is slowing jumping ship back to beyonce, who makes quality RnB and goes OVER and BEYOND for her stans, including touring with a quality show and making quality videos for each single. this is what Rihanna needs to do:
1. Release videos on time
2. Release quality singles, not trash
3. Remove those nasty ugly Tat’s from her hand
4. Stop focusing on being a model and focus on music
5. Maybe stop doing drugs on Instagram so her mind is
right so she can release quality music
6. Actually practice so she does not come off as wooden
knees when performing a live show.
7. Actually stop doing the same performance for ever song
8. Take vocal lessons so it does not sound like shes
swallowing words
9. Maybe sing and not talk her way through a record
10. touch up them nappy roots, so when the wind blows
when she’s going to a different club every night – we
are not looking at hair that looks like burnt scramble
eggs
i’m done.
Gad damn, poor Rihanna scrambled eggs… Roflmao
mehn! you all are bunch of haterz including the owner of the site! let rihanna live..who GOD has bless no man can curse!
god dont support no drug addicted pop singer who pushes her fans away when they try to touch or hug her. Satan is all over this boo and you know it
Don’t pretend like Rihanna doesn’t have r&b records or hits on the r&b charts. Tamar is always looking for controversy. Rihanna is pop,r&b,reggae,dancehall etc. Also why is she coming for Sam smith he is a soulful singer that can be considered r&b.
A white homosexual should never be considered R&B. Everything about him in a contradiction to the genre and the properties of it. R&B/Soul has roots in the southern baptist church. Any man who bends over for another man can have nothing to do with anything R&B/Soul-related. He may as well make an album of EDM and europop. That’s gay. Be Adam Lambert’s rival. He has no business trying to associate with R&B.
You do realize that most of those R&B guys your sexing and making babies to are gay, Luther Vandross, Marvin Gaye, Tevin Cambpbell, Johnny Gill, Freddie Jackson and many many more are gay gay and gay, and yes they sing some of the best R&B baby making music in existence, sing to women and then go home their men.
Um, Marvin Gaye wasn’t gay. And aside from Luther, most of the other names you dropped aren’t exactly prolific. Tevin Campbell and Freddie Jackson were passing fads who fizzled out after 2 or 3 albums, and weren’t even that huge while at their peak. And while everyone knows that Luther was as gay as a bag of Skittles, he at least had the decency to not try and market homosexuality. He made music that adhered to and was in step with the genre and what fans of it expected. So whatever and whoever he was doing off stage and away from the mic was his business.
Yeah I agree, Sam Smith shouldn’t be winning any BET awards. Rihanna is almost as pop as Katy Perry, but know she wanna act ghetto like she grew up in Chiraq … K
I love Rhi but Tamuppet told the truff honey. She tired of pop divas snatchn her edges bald. She tryna grow them back.
Tamar didn’t lie. Rihanna is not R&B at all. Its the industry fault rather than hers though. They stay putting her in R&B categories. Tamar kind of shaded Rih’s life and belittled her to a twerk music singer though.
Tamar f***** up when she said all Rihs music is twerking music when that is far from the truth.
If Rihanna is R&B, Katy Perry is too.
Yea because Katy has songs like man down, pour it up, loveee song, birthday cake, bbhmm, watch n learn, etc .
Lol. Those aren’t r&b songs. Do you even know what r&b music is?? And another thing: having r&b undertones and influences.. Doesn’t make you r&b. Making an r&b song… Doesn’t make you an r&b artist. @unbiased is right. If that’s the case then Miley Cyrus and lorde should be nominated for best rap/hip hop artist.
Those aren’t R&B idiot, Rihanna fans don’t even know what R&B music is. I will give you Love Song…
Tamar tells no lies hunnie and even if the way she delivered her truths is a bit shady its the truth;
Imagine rihanna and whitney houston up for the same award just saying her name with whitney almost turned my stomach
sam smith and adele are soulful but they make pop music and are marketed pop, dont be fooled just because Sam Smith stole his vocal runs and hair from George Michael and Adele stole her vocal delivery from lisa stansfield and mariah carey’s darker music does not brand it SOUL boo FYI
sam smith is soulful/rnb he’s no different than jt and robin thick , rihanna is diverse so its unfair to try and label her one genre just because her biggest hits are pop records.
Katy Perry has a nice rack and that’s it; She shady like a black woman but thats it–shes marketable only
Watch n learn is good record
Well, if Michael Jackson can be called “King of Pop” with a mostly R&B discography then i don’t see the problem with Rihanna being nominated in an R&B category. To me she’s not a full Pop artist, if you compare her to Britney, Katy or Gaga, you see that she don’t quite fit the term PopStar, as a celebrity, yes, musically speaking, no.
Sit down, No white pop male has outsold MJ. Pop stands for POPULAR music. Don’t even dare mention that thief Elvis or The Beatles…
Sorry, but I am. Both Elvis and The Beatles outsold Michael. The king should be unmatched and unbeaten. He may have the biggest selling album of all time and be in the top 3 best sellers ever, but he’s not the biggest selling artist of all time. MJ crowned himself “The King of Pop.” He demanded that MTV refer to him as that every time he was mentioned. And calling Elvis a thief while trying to hype up MJ is funny considering MJ himself acknowledged Elvis as one of his idols and inspirations.
@UNBIASED
Take your medication before coming to TGJ, i didn’t say MJ wasn’t the King of Pop, just that most of his music was R&B, while Pop means Popular music, a pop music genre was developed and made instantly recognizable by a certain female pop star of the 80’s, for example “Billie Jean” is very different from “Baby One More Time”, pop music as we know it today is similar to that song, other examples of what is considered pop today is “Hot n’ Cold”, “Born this Way” etc, all those songs have the Madonna trademark, she redefined what pop music is today more so than anybody else. Pop music is indeed a music genre, separated from the term popular music which can be whatever is hot at the moment, like Hip Hop or country can be, just like Indie is a music genre that differs from the term “Indie artist” (independent music artist), get it.
S******, you do realise Pop music existed BEFORE Madonna… The Supreme’s were perfect examples of POPular R&B. Barbra Streisand was a standard Pop singer too. There’s many type of POP sounds… Other than generic girly sounds of Britney & Bubblegum 1984 Madonna.
@Stephy
I didn’t say pop didn’t existed before her, just that Pop music (the type of pop music that Rihanna Britney, Katy, etc, make today is the “Madonna type of Pop”, you can find each of their sound in Madonna’s discography, she created Pop music as we know it today, we don’t use traditional pop, we use “Pop Madonna”, whoever disagree with that don’t know nothing about the pop music of the past 30 years. She has contributed to music (hence redefining pop music) more than anyone else and is arguably the most influential pop star of all time.
… Too FEMALES… Males, don’t use Madonna like that.
But aren’t females the ones who had dominated the music industry for more than a decade now, from Britney to Rihanna?….Besides, almost all dj’s and music producers of today were influenced by whatever sound Madonna made famous in her chamaleonic career, that’s impact my friend, she’s more influential than we can imagine
Nah, I disagree. She didn’t create that sound. You’re giving her too much credit, for something that was already laid out for her. She paved the way for non-singing corny overly sexual pop (mostly white) “diva’s”… Pop is a genre that’s already been established since the 1950s. Pop FUSED with R&B/Hip Hop is STILL major in the industry today (See: Katy Perry DARK HORSE). THAT DID NOT COME FROM MADONNA.
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Also, MALES dominated the 2000s!!! Hello! MJ’s clones: Usher, Justin Timberlake, Sisco, Chris Brown etc… And, not to mention EMINEM was the biggest selling artist of the decade. Oh, and Britney’s sound is a mixture of what JANET & MADONNA paved. And, that style of dancing is ALL Janet.
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Madonna paved the way … But, she’s not the only one. I see A LOT of Janet Jackson in these girls (whom can’t sing to save their lives) too. Janet was a POP fused with FUNK/R&B/NEW JACK SWING/DANCE artist. <—— That's a sound (minus the EDM DANCE) JAMES BROWN, MICHAEL JACKSON & ULTIMATELY PRINCE laid the foundation out for!!! Most of what we hear today from MALE dominated POPular artist… Hint: Bruno Mars, Usher, Justin Timberlake, Chris Brown, Jason D etc… <—- Madonna didn't create the sound of MALE popular figures. Michael Jackson & PRINCE did that!
She created it by make it popular, you’re giving MJ TOO much credit.
Michael Jackson is FAR more influential than Madonna, period. And, so is James Brown & Prince. That’s just a fact boo boo. Madonna only has corny Pop females (whom I do love, cause I’m GAY). She’s one of the main reasons why the music industry is filled with non-talented bimbo’s selling PUSSSSY 24/7.. Cause, they can’t sing worth a damn. Janet Jackson too. Both of em!
I don’t believe that ish at all. MJ has some of the best selling albums of all time but The Beatles and Elvis sold more??? Just like how Madonna is well over 300 million magically GTFOHWTBS. MJ didn’t bestow King of Pop on himself, the media did. Music had never saw a phenomenon like MJ in the 80s, point blank peroid! MJ music was majority R&B but it ruled the pop charts. Thats why he became the King. The King Will Always hold that title!
Elvis has 11234112412412434 albums. That shitt tends to add up. And, The Beatles sales are MASSIVE everywhere in the world. So, there shouldn’t be ANY confusion with that group.
300 ml records Magically?….The Beatles and Elvis???……Google their sales honey, The Beatles, Elvis, MJ and Madonna are the best selling artists in the world. Why don’t you put in doubt MJ’s Thriller sales?, cuz while the album is indeed the best selling of all time, its sales are over-exaggerated. Madonna is currently the best selling music artist ALIVE.
Paul McCartney is the best selling MUSIC artist alive… You tried tho.
Paul as a solo artist can’t touch Madonna’s sales, The Beatles are another thing.
PAUL WAS THE BEATLES, PERIOD. And, he has so many hits to his name it’s crazy. Not only as a singer but writer & producer. Not with just the Beatles… But, many other groups HE created & solo projects… As an overall career, he’s the most successful artist ALIVE
Stop. Most of the biggest selling albums in history came from male artists, not females. Hell, the most prolific artists in music history tend to be men. Female pop singers appeal to the flakiest, most fickle and bipolar of audiences – girls and gays. And I promise you that the majority of them were not influenced by Madonna.
Dumb. Michael’s music touched ALL genres which is why he was considered the King of POP. Don’t ever in your life compare to such mediocrity just to validate your point. Tried and FAILED miserably.
Rihanna may be marketed as pop but UNAPLOGETIC as an album was more RnB than pop.
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*Loveee song
*diamonds
*what now
*stay
*nobody’s business
*love without tragedy
*mother mary
*get it over with
*lost in paradise
Unapologetic most certainly fell into the urban contemporary category. It was not nominated for best R&B album. Tamuppet needs to shut up.
Hold on Mi Mi, Lost in paradise – dubstep, what now, stay and diamonds are pop, love without tragedy and Mother Mary are borderline pop also, get it together. btw CL is so whackkkk
Beat me to it.. I was about to say. Most of those songs are not r&b. I’m convinced now that most people don’t know the ‘sound’ of r&b music.
CL is amazing I know. Performing at almost all Jack ü block parties and ultra festivals, joing BEP on their new album and gearing up for her solo debuet
But Tamuppet, Unapologetic was not nominated for Best R&B album it was nominated for BEST URBAN CONTEMPORARY ALBUM and rightfully won! Tamar needs to check the facts before she runs her mouth, TBH.
Tamuppet always talked about how she didn’t wanna do R&B music, and how much it’s late and played out….she wanted to be a pop star but now she’s fussing about an R&B category that Rih wasn’t even nominated in? LMAO. Girl bye!!!
Rhianna is NOT R&B, to be able to sing R&B, the ability to harmonize is a must. Rhino can not harmonize or rift to save her life, she tries and mimics, but she is not r&b
Please she riffed, ran and harmonized all over her first album but she got away from that type of singing. Rihanna is a pop star with urban & island influences.
Rihanna can harmonize and sing with vibrato.Wtf are you talking about? If anything she has the perfect voice for harmonizing.
i have been saying since day one.
Tamar needs to be quiet before Rihanna writes her the music chart it’s Rihanna and Beyonces world. Tamar needs to focus on being unique and having a unique talent like Toni not her copy.
No lies detected re: Sam Smith. He’s no more R&B than the likes of Boy George and will have the same weight issues in 10 years time.
This **e and Azaelia S**** Bank are alike they have a lot to say than offer. She be crying victim if Peehanna were to respond and yaaas @ her coming for the b****, Piranna ain’t R&B obviously judging by them 13 #1s
Unapologetic was a Pop with urban/r&b elements album imo. But, mostly a POP sound. I NEVER understood why “DIAMONDS” was on the R&B charts (staying at #1 for 14 weeks). I mean, that’s NOT eeeeeven a R&B song at all. The album should’ve been nominated in POP categories. Rihanna is a POP star & a part time R&B “singer” (talker). But, don’t get it twisted… She caters to WHITE Europeans the MOST.
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R&B stations played the f*** out of Diamonds! That’s why it was on the R&B charts!
R&B stations only played the remixed version featuring Kanye, which was a complete marketing stunt to get them to. That song is pure pop with no R&B asthetic whatsoever. Tamar is right. Rihanna is basically a black version of Britney/Katy/Taylor. That b**** couldn’t hold it down with any real R&B singer.
But while Tamar told the truth, it is still annoying how she kept saying how much she supposedly “loves” Rihanna, just to avoid a backlash. Don’t be fake. Just say Rihanna ain’t R&B and has no business being acknowledged as being part of the genre, and let whoever is gonna feel slighted by that truth get mad if that’s what they’re gonna do.
Kii I caught that too. She knows she doesn’t rock with her like that but you’re simi right. Rihanna could pull off that uptempo R&B but her voice could never ever sing real R&B music.
No ma’am they played the regular version before the remix was even released. How is Tamar right when Rihanna was not nominated in that category?
Rihanna has the voice for pop and R&B but most of her songs are pop. Rihanna can sing R&B if she wanted to.There is no such thing as mimicking R&B.It’s either you can or can’t. For example, it would be difficult for taylor swift and brittney to sing “creep” by TLC or “Rain” by SWV.Their voices wouldn’t flow with the beat,you have to really grow up listening to this kind of music.Rihanna can pull it off.I think Tamar is still bitter because Love and War lost to Unapologetic.
You must be smoking Snoop Dogg quantities if you think Rihanna could pull off singing “Rain” by SWV! ROFLMAO! Are you serious? That would be like her “Hero” part 2.
Lmfaoooo ???????????????????????????????? I think she is ????????????????????????????????
Her version of Hero wasn’t that bad.”Hero” is a very hard song to sing,and she did it live at age 16.Since then her voice has improved.She can hit higher notes.Stay,What Now,Russian Roulette,etc says hello.”Rain” isn’t that difficult to sing,calm down.CoCo is a better singer(obviously)but Rihanna can pull it off singing in her range.She has the voice for R&B and that was my point.
Biitch Staaaaawp…..That Whorree sounded like dying mule kii kii
Anyone is going to have a difficult time singing hero at age 16,unless you have a Mariah range.
Shes definitely right. The Grammys always do that. They throw songs in categorys, that don’t belong their. MTV and definitely AMA Awards do it also. If Katy Perry made an R&B album, you will not see the album in no urban categorys
but pop. Black Awards don’t do that. Before BET turn the fav male R&B artist into fav R&B/Pop artist, you would of never saw Jason Derulo in that category. The only reason why he’s still doesn’t get nominated now is because, he cater more to the pop crowd. Usher, Chris Brown, and Trey Songz cater also but are more Urban.
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She told no lies…….but i dont blame her,blame this industry
Damn, three Rihanna posts in one day?! LMAO, y’all are really thirsty for a coin, huh? Tuh
Yep she wasn’t nominated in the R&B category.
The SHAAAAADDDDE!!! ???????? I caught every bit of it! “Biitch u can’t sing and your music ain’t bout shiit. You only good for twerking club music or little flat ass white girl rave parties, but I love you tho!” I’m screaming!!
Kii kii Hell Naw, Tamar is a shady biitch though. She probably did meant it that way ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????? I caught it. I caught it honey!! Tamar was being shady AF but tried to do it nicely.
“Rihanna has the voice for pop and R&B but most of her songs are pop. Rihanna can sing R&B if she wanted to.There is no such thing as mimicking R&B.It’s either you can or can’t.”
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OMG!! The longer Rihanna makes the naivey wait on that album, the more delusional they get. We need a moment of silence….
A floyonce stan shouldn’t call anyone delusional.
Biitch you’re the delusional one for thinking Hoeianna can sing R&B music ????????????????????????
“Love Song” and “Get it Over” are full R&B tracks,MOTS has a few R&B tracks on it. Her discovery is filled with pop songs because it sells.She is pop/R&B/Reggae. Brittany,taylor,katy,miley are singers who don’t have the voice for R&B.The delusion is you fleas thinking your fav is on the same level as f****** MJ. stop the hypocrisy!
Kii Biitch you sound mad ???????????????????????????????????? Hoeianna still couldn’t sing R&B if the soul of Tina Marie jumped in her. The Thotness & Goat genes got the best of her kii kii
Michael Jackson is considered the “King Of Pop” due to him being the most successful POPular male artist of all time. Elvis Presley ONLY outsold MJ in North America. And, Mr. Presley had OVER 30+ Studio albums, 20+ soundtracks, 10+ live albums & 15+ compilation albums (all the material NEVER being written nor produced by him). Plus, multiple EP’s/Other albums. And, majority of Elvis catalog is considered Rock… Hint: The King Of Rock N Roll
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MJ sold more than HALF of Presley’s discography with WAY less albums & in WAY less time. And, I won’t even go down the list of accomplishments of as to why he’s called the “King Of Pop”… Whether he named himself that or not. MTV tried MJ, by giving that award to Madonna. After, he pretty much made MTV a household staple television program (during the 1980s). He gave MTV their biggest ratings EVER. And, was the biggest seller & artist of the 1980s. I would’ve felt sometype of way too. That’s like giving the artist of the decade award to “Aretha Franklin” or “Janis Joplin”… Even tho, the BEATLES were obviously the biggest & most successful act of the 1960s.
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MJ’s sales outside of America kills Presleys. If, you take away Presley’s USA sales… MJ sold more than him. But, overall Mr. Elvis is the most successful RECORDING male artist of all time. Shame, MJ didn’t over-record & release 1,000 albums per-year. Or he would’ve definitely outsold Presley. The Beatles would remain on top tho.
The hate is real…..If Elvis total US sales can’t be tracked, i highly doubt his worldwide sales can, besides, it was another time, artists used to focus on singles, albums were released left and right at the time, it wasn’t important until the Beatles came in to the picture, ( i throw Bob Dylan in there too) they teached that it was better to create a body of work and write your own music.
I don’t hate Mr. Presley. I just don’t like his hillbilly fans steady putting down MJ’s accomplishments. And, acting like Elvis was superior. How he gon’ be the “KING”… But never even composed, wrote or produced ANY of his OWN music. What’s that about?
I agree with Tamar on what is and what isn’t R&B
Madonna paved the way for Pop FEMALE sound/domination.
And, MJ’s discography from 1979 – 2001 was a perfect mixture of Pop/Funk/R&B… With a noticeable amount of Rock infusion.
After her performance at the bet awards , she needs to shut up. She hasn’t even achieved a thousandth of what Rihanna has. Furthermore her whole career is ran by drama and the real. Rihanna is still being nominated with no album because there literally is no opposition. Numbers don’t lie. She mad or nah.
Both these flops are boring so whatever.
A Niki stan calling someone a flop???
Tamar told nothing but the truth having one or two slow songs on an album does not make you an R&B singer when everything else is pop and yes twerking music, go to a Rihanna concert she’s p**** popping for an hour and a half with a few minutes dedicated to Stay, Diamonds and the rest, then it’s back to birthday cake and EMD songs like we found love, that’s not an R&B concert
TAMAR spoke NO LIES. I notice how when Ri or someone people really like gets called out on facts everyone disagrees. But if it’s Iggy(someone people hate) gets called out yall all agreeing. It’s the same thing.
I suggest you do some research. MTV News confirmed that in 1991, the station received a fax from Sony Music demanding that they always add “King of Pop” before MJ’s name whenever speaking of him. And he demanded that they rename their already established Video Vanguard award after him. These were HIS demands, and he basically threatened to boycott the network if they didn’t comply.
And Michael has 145241 albums too. His records with J5, his numerous pre-OTW solo albums for Motown and all the random hits/remix/best-of compilations/re-releases get factored into his overall sales tally too.
That’s NOTHING compared to Elvis. That man literally released 50+ REAL STUDIO ALBUMS, SOUNDTRACKS, EPS, LIVE EPS, LIVE ALBUMS, COMPILATIONS etc… 5x more than Michael Jackson EVER released. And, that’s what needed to happen. Like I said, MJ made music videos with massive budgets cool in the 1980s. Paving the way for the massive visuals we see in TODAY’S market. It’s only fitting to call him the King of Pop (and Music Videos imo)… And, gave him that MJ award title, period.
And, shoot… He should’ve boycotted the fact that THRILLER didn’t win VIDEO OF THE YEAR in 1984… When that freaking video single handedly CHANGED THE WAY VIDEOS WERE DONE, PERIOD. Who won that award again??? Oh, yea… NO ONE REMEMBERS!
I respect this woman but Tamar is reaching. she deserves her nominations.People got jealous because she was able to crossover easily.Meanwhile R&B artists today are flopping with EDM.Rihanna ignore her.Please dont pull a CB.
The Grammy she was was NOT for best R&B album but for Urban Contemporary album. HUGE difference. Tamar us just bitter that she lost…period.
Tamar had the nerve to share Toni but she is still. Winning Grammys 22 years later lol
Shade toni*
It’s hard to put Rihanna in a specific category.
A song like stay is R&B
While other songs on her album is pop or reggae i think this is why she doesn’t win more awards.
At the end of the day all these awards show are base on race. his is why a black artist is dearly in the umbrella category on the Grammys
Kanye said it. Beyonce and kanye have all these Grammy’s, but how much do they have in the umbrella category While Taylor Swift is always in those category and she wins. Had usher or Miguel did stay they would not get nominated for song or record of the year.
Tamar is 1000% correct….. Period. Rihanna is NOT R&B @ all!
If you change Babyface and Toni braxton to white their album would get album of the year nomination.
We all know they give these major awards according to whose popular, which is pure buffoonery in the first place. But then to add more insult to injury, they are too ignorant on what R&B actually is. SN: Sam its not ‘sing-sing’ its SANGERS lol… like actually sangers i.e. Tamia, Keke Wyatt, Brandy, Tamar Braxton, Jill Scott etc etc
And, I’m sorry @S****** Blonde… What I meant to say was JAMES BROWN created that Funk/R&B/Pop infused sound that MICHAEL JACKSON & PRINCE took to another level… During the 1980s. Which has ultimately created the sounds of what we hear today… From leading POPular male acts…
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“UpTown Funk – 2015, Happy – 2014 & Blurred Lines – 2013” were the biggest recording songs of those years. You can’t tell me those songs would’ve fit PERFECTLY on MJ’s OFF THE WALL album or one of PRINCE’S early 80s LPs. James Brown’s sound & influence is all over those monster records. So, inconclusion… NO! Madonna didn’t create the only type of Pop music we hear today. MANY artist did.
Once upon a time “Urban” was just another term for R&B. The two terms were practically interchangeable. I’d like to know when it stopped being the case. Not to defend Rihanna because I don’t care for her, but the songs of hers that people are saying are “urban” (like “Pour It Up”) as opposed to being R&B is like saying that Michael Jackson’s “Bad,” Karyn White’s “Secret Rendezvous” or Earth, Wind & Fire’s “Let’s Groove” are ‘urban’ and not R&B – despite how they were considered R&B at the time. It’s like today any danceable R&B song that has a pop feel to it and can possible crossover is called “urban” today, while people insist that it’s not actually R&B. The implication here is that R&B has to either be either a midtempo or ballad, with a bunch of whaling and runs all over it, which isn’t true.
Have Rihanna ever won or been nominated for a R&B album? I agree, but she lost me at her tweeting whenever she hears a Rihanna song, yet used Beyonce as a R&B reference. All of Beyonce’s songs are boots shaking music, heck all she does is just that and some hair whips.
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But of course Rih is pop to urban pop. She does have urban and r&b records tho.
She told ZERO lies…
I was right, Rihanna had never been nom for a R&B album. She won Best Urban Contemporary Album, and her music is very much that. Most of her wins are from Best Rap/Song and the others are pop or video. Research is everything people. BUT on the other awards shows, she have been getting Best R&B artist and I disagree with that.
Right she can’t hit a note. U got artist who are rnb not getting no awards. S*** Chris Brown won best rnb at the soul train awards. Smh
For once I agree with Tamar. Rihanna never was rnb. Beyonce isn’t just rnb she is pop also. I dislike the acting Nene came in on her new video. Cinderella character needs to not been there. That’s not hot.
For for first I have side with Tamar she is so right
Everyone on here HAS TO KNOW that Rhianna is only good for “turn-up music”…Tamar is never going to get you going in the club. However, Tamar is correct in her assessment although it was shady, LOL. From these comments it appears most TGJ posters don’t really know what R&B is. Tamar/Toni, Ledisi, KeKe Wyatt, Tyrese, Charlie Wilson, Chaka Khan, Chante Moore, etc….Navy please stop being delusional. And I would be b*** hurt too if my album lost to a Rhianna album. But I understand the politics of the music BUSINESS, too. Rhianna is manufactured within an inch of her recorded life, like cotton candy.
Rihanna is no r&b artist lol.
Ok. Tamar is not correct on a MAJOR thing. The category was NOT best R&B album. It was best Urban Contemporary album. Urban contemporary is pop and R&B elements mixed (which is what unapologetic is). If the album was nominated in the best R&B album category, then she would have a point about that specific thing
This sparked a hilarious trending topic a few years ago…#IfRihannaIsR&B. Tamar is right-on with her assessment.
I consider Sam more R&B than Rihanna. I don’t really know if I consider Beyoncé R&B more Hip-Hop (which by definition is a combination of R&B and Pop)
And Sam Smith only won Best New Artist at the BET Awards because he did a duet with Mary J Bliege; so therefore he has “Street Cred”
http://www.botanichka.ru/blog/2009/12/09/scale-insect/comment-page-1/?replytocom=540
That’s not “Tea” it’s truth. Rihanna is not R&B and we all know this.
Riri is def pop not r&b