With over 2 million copies sold worldwide since its 2011 release, it’s safe to say Beyonce‘s ‘4’ struck a positive chord with the general public and her ever loyal ‘Beyhive‘.
A cool fusion of Alternative R&B and foot stomping power anthems, the project- by way of sound- might be described as the lovechild of 2003’s ‘Dangerously In Love’ and 2008’s ‘I Am Sasha Fierce‘.
However, perhaps in response to the star’s well publicized 2012 Grammy snub, the topic of ‘4‘s critical appeal still burns bright, with critics and fans torn between how influential the project is, how will it be remembered in ten to fifteen years time?
So now we throw the question to you.
No,it’s a flop album.A good album but a flop and horrible messy era …
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oh KATFAN,hush puppy! that album is a CLASSIC!! yes,it didn’t perform as well as her previous efforts on a commercial scale,but the album content was of classic accord!
This from a “Kat Daluna” fan? Who the eff is she?
“…I don’t know her!” #MCstatus.
OH and note; that is rhetorical question, because until Kat Dalunesta nabs a Grammy, have an arena’s worth of seats!
It was only a “classic” to some of the gays. The album was simply mediocre r&b and that is the consensus from consumers on Amazon. No real hits, no real classics. Actually all of her solo albums have been mediocre but they at least had a couple good singles on each one. This album was the same but lacked a hit song. Interesting how this topic does not have a poll but no need since the consensus is already on Amazon.
ConRad J. Replied:
June 20th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
This from a “Kat Daluna” fan? Who the eff is she?
“…I don’t know her!” #MCstatus.
YESSS!!! thats still one of my favorite quotes from her #shaaaaady
LOL!!! u a Kat Del-wats her name fan, you would not know good music even if it choked u
I would have to agree with you on there! It was ok. It wasn’t great nor bad! It was just ok, and it is not a class album!! I Am… is a classic! Her best album to date. 4 could of been alot better!! I agree!!
HOW YOU GONNA SAY ITS A GOOD ALBUM AND THEN SAY ITS A FLOP ALBUM…SO DUMN
Wait are you guys ROUNDING UP! Because that s*** has NOT sold 2 million copies! lmao Either way, it’s a pretty good album!
YOU’RE RIGHT…
IT SOLD CLOSE TO 3 MILLION NOW…
1.2 MILLION IN THE U.S.
400K IN UK.
200K IN BRAZIL
40K IN CANADA
50K IN FRANCE
70K IN AUSTRALIA
20K IN POLAND
15K IN IRELAND
5K IN RUSSIA
2 MILLION WORLDWIDE WITH THOSE NUMBERS ALONE AND NOT EVEN INCLUDING JAPAN, SOUTH KOREA, CHINA, OTHER ASIAN COUNTRIES, GERMANY, ITALY, AND MANY MORE…
yasssssssss realtalk,preach honey!!
4 has sold over 2.7 million worldwide, thank you
Not a classic. But a good album. A classic could be caragtorized as a album filled with songs that will live on for a lifetime. This album, not one of them. Still a good artist.
How could people say that songs like 1+1, I Care, Rather Die Young, Love On Top, End Of Time, I Miss You, I Was Here are not timeless. Please someone make me understand. Im not into stans and fans and shade and all that pop culture non sense. Im a musician and Im into real music. Some One Please explain to me why and how is it that artist like Rihanna, Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Chris Brown etc make generic pop/dance commercial music Beyonce makes authentic music and people say it’s just okay.
trust nobody look back on cd like dat was music changer nope! maybe beyonce worst selling cd of her career
yes MJ’s last album was not as big as his others. I think every good artist has at least one flop album. It will not effect beyonce tho. Her fanbase is too big and she’s too talented and commercially intact to care.
Yea but MJ was going on his 30th year in the industry. Beyonce is still young, and is getting treated as a legend. I think that is making her old to me. SHe needs to still wrok and put out songs the way she did during 2006. It seems as if she is this big legend but her solo career only started in 2003. When Michael Jackson was 30 “Bad” sold 30-32 million copies and had 5 number 1 hits. Beyonce is too young and popping to be having flops
IM A HUGE BEY STAN
I’M APART OF THE BEYHIVE
HOWEVER I WILL AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS.
IT’S A GOOD ALBUM, BUT NOT A CLASSIC.
BUT I FEEL LIKE PERSONALLY FOR BEYONCE HERSELF IT’S A CLASSIC BECAUSE IT’S WHERE SHE WAS AT IN HER LIFE. BUT I WILL SAY THIS AND DIL ARE MY LEAST FAVORITE ALBUMS FROM HER, BUT I DO FEEL DIL WAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A CLASSIC ALBUM (WHETHER I LOVE IT OR NOT)
I DO HOPE HER NEXT ALBUM IS A LOVE CHILD OF B’DAY AND I AM… SASHA FIERCE!
I HOPE SHE GOES BACK TO MORE POP R&B TRACKS….
I HOPE MORE UPTEMOS ARE LIKE “GET ME BODIED” “UPGRADE U” “SWEET DREAMS” “SINGLE LADIES” “END OF TIME” AND THE MID TEMPOS ARE MORE “IRREPLACEABLE” “THAT’S HOW YOU LIKE IT” AND THE BALLADS ARE “I AM…” DRIVEN ALL THE WAY!
4 had some amazing songs, the problem is that music has shifted so much since the release of “I AM Sasha Fierce”. The euro/ pop trend has taken over and only Adele has managed to avoid jumping on that bandwagon.
I feel that B also made a huge mistake by getting rid of her dad as her manager, this album had the power to “Snatch Wigs” but the lead single was a mess and the whole promo of the project was all over the place. Beyonce is GREAT at what she does, but she is no Jay Z. I think that she needs to share some of the power and focus on what she’s best at singing and being a kick ass performer.
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That is where i disagree with you. She is now in her 30s, a wife, and is now a mother. I feel like she should make music to reflect this. She has blue ivy to set an example for. I feel like she should begin making grown and s*** music with a few up tempos here and there. She shouldn’t be making music where she will be on stage gyrating in a leotard that leaves nothing to the imagination. I so desperately want for Beyonce to go back to the wholesome talent she was when she didnt have to sell s** to sell an album. I feel like Beyonce has lost a lot of respect in the industry and in the world of record sales due to her latest shenanigans in the media. She needs to come back more sophisticated and lady like.
hahahahaha LMAO! another JOKE from SAM, you are in a fun mood today Sam haha.
the person in your gravatar and you are the joke sweets 🙂
nope!! dangerously in love is
Lol no it’s not
I agree
well idk what you call a classic. But it is a great body of work, and all the performances generated to promote it were superb. Most other mainstream artist do not compare the to performances. I know album 5 will have the huge hits.
A classic what? Surely not album…
No.
A classic is when an album have HITS and sales record and goes down in history as a great album…I.E. Adele’s “21” will be a classic because each song released was pretty much a hit.
But a classic can be defined as Rihanna’s “GGGB” she has the hits and sales off of that album for such!
😉
adele only release 3 songs and you say rihanna that will not only thing will be a classy is that she got mens fighting over her and chris brown beat that ass
UMM, BLUEPRINT 1 IS A CLASSIC NOR DOES IT HAVE BIG HITS AND HUGE SALES…
SO IS REASONABLE DOUBT…
STEVIE WONDER’S HOTTER THAN JULY, SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE, AND INNERVISIONS ARE CLASSICS AND ARE NOT A HUGE SELLERS NOR DID IT HAVE MEGA HITS BUT CLASSIC HITS… SO YOU’RE WRONG… ABOUT YOUR SO-CALLED DEFINITION OF CLASSIC ALBUMS…
CLASSIC ALBUMS ARE CRITICALLY ACCLAIM BODIES OF WORK… THAT INFLUENCE A GENERATION, CREATE A SONG, AND TIMELESS…
^^^^^ You too the words right out my mouth. Great examples!
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Well ‘4’ didn’t even influence her fans so……..
THE BEST EXPLANATION YOU GAVE…SOME PEOPLE ARE SO DUMB AND HAVE NO CLUE WHAT CLASSIC REALLY MEANS… THEY ONLY LOOKING AT IT FROM SALES ….AGAIN GREAT EXPLANATION
That does not define a classic album…dictionary PLEASE!
Swty Rihanna’s GGGB didn’t even go to #1 so I do not know what you are talking about
LMAO!!!
1. 2million world wide for Beyonce is a flop.
2. 4 is not classic, not even her best work
3. If any Beyonce albums should be labeled classic it would be DIL or IASF.
No it is not and tell me something can your favorite siing better then @Beyonce
So is Tina’s ‘Bionic’ a super flop?
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THE LAST TIME XTINA HAD A HUGE ALBUM…
BLU CANTRELL AND ASHANTI HAD RELEVANCY IN THE GAME…
HA!!! B**** WHAT WAS THAT 2002…
BACK TO THE FLOPS!!! WASN’T NOTHING MAJOR…
@RoyalKev
Bionic was a major flop by Xtina’s standards.
@RealTalk
Back to Basics is more classic than 4. And it sold 3 times as many copies. Lets not darling.
First of all the 2 artists don’t compare. I love them both, but Bionic did not sell nearly as well as any of her others and i thought it was a GREAT album. As was 4. Every artist has a slump sometimes. Just let these ladies work and do them.
Christina hasn’t been a legend since her 2nd album. After that, no one cared….she will never be able to shake off that disaster of an album bionic. LOL.
…or the disaster of being a cheating w**** of Babylon!
No.
Had a few good songs, wasn’t a thing classic about the album though.
Now her earlier stuff? Yes. But she dropped the ball on this album.
and B does have some classics. If you talk about the songs on the album being remembered for years at a time. i would call it one. DIL and IASF have songs that will still be remembered b/c they had the huge hits
Come on now, stop baiting for stans. No. Beyonce hasn’t made a classic album yet. But guess what, SHE is classic. More than is to be said for a lot of so-called “artists” today.
I am…sasha fierce is as iconic as any MJ album. For an album to be a classic it has to have commercial success, tons of good reviews, and sales off the wall. Beyonce is always snatching wigs. Even tho I don’t stan for her like that, I give credit where it’s due and this woman puts her everything into her work. It WILL be remembered. But 4 definitely not. It has nice songs but it wasn’t good like her other albums.
I promise U NO BEYONCE ALBUM IS REMEMBERED UP TO THIS POINT, maybe amongst her fans, but not amongs regular people
4 had a lot of depth and that is its selling factor with songs like 1+1 and rather die young
Yes I do. I think if Run The World was never released 4 would’ve faired 10x better. Please reply to me I wanna hear what you guys have to say…
YOU CORRECT AND IF SHE HAD RELEASE END OF TIME AS THE FIRST SINGLE SHE WOULD KNOCK ADELE ASS OUT THE WAY
Her fat ass might I mention. Which would be hard though. Since shes like 290 pounds.
You might have a point, another single might have helped the album fare better. Call me crazy, but RTW will be remembered for years to come. Bey made a statement with that single and it became more than just a song.
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True I see what you mean. RTW was a statement. It was a single to wake everyone up in case they forgot about Bey. Unfortunately it didn’t fare too well. Making the single and subsquent singles flop. However as an album it excelled beecause of its content.
I totally agree.
Yeah RTW affected the other singles cus pop radio ignored every other release off 4
beyonce is the queen now shut the hell unlike other celebrities beyonce said before the album even came out she say she didn’t care for #1 album and #1 singles but yet she got both and this will be a classic album only reason this album didn’t stay at the top of the charts because it was RNb except RTW if it had alot of pop songs this album would have still be #1 in the world. Beyonce love RNB and you can’t expect her to do the same music over and over like rihanna and katy perry
Teenage Dream sounds nothing like One of the Boys and every song off TD is different from the next one. #YouTried
Cried me a river but my bad on the katy perry but rihanna ass does the same s*** over over
@Alonzo AMEN!!! these people are so deluded by talentless simple b****** like rhitard and katy that they don’t know a good album
That what i be saying
Crazy in Love and Single Ladies are considered classics b/c they are most popular. BUT they r not her best songs musically
They arent fan favourites either. Well maybe CIL is but i know most e-Beyhive wont consider single ladies their fav or Bey’s best song. Stil im here for all its successs lol
Simply put: No.
That depends on what you consider a classic. I actually liked 4 more than her previous albums. The content was good IMO (see: I miss you, I care, schoolin life, countdown, start over, and end of time). I believe her mistake was putting out the wrong singles that her audience (teens-early 20’s) couldn’t relate to. The album didn’t do well because she was trying to experiment with almost an entirely different sound and style too fast.
B**** is a FLOP and so over. This Beyonce b**** is a boring ass flop who even her hubby has no confidence in. I mean Jay-Z told Rita Flopa that he wants her to be as successful as Rihanna and not Beyonce, that should tell you something if even your hubby thinks you’re so over.
She stood out in Destiny’s Child because the other two were as dull as dishwater, now that she is solo, she has to compete against the others in the game and people are just getting bored of her. Time to retire, “4closure” was a disaster.
I’m a bey stan but “…because the other two were as dull as dishwater,” Just gave me my life!
JAY Z TOLD HER TO BE LIKE RIHANNA CAUSE SHE DROPPING SONG AFTER SONG HE SAY NOT TO BE LIKE BEYONCE BECAUSE ITS HARD TO GET WHERE BEYONCE IS NOW IN MUSIC SO B**** KILL THE NOISE BEYONCE THE BEST
Preach!!
Wow u really hate her guts, dont u? Lol
LMAOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I CANT!!!!!!!!!! 2million world wide is a FLOP!! 4 was a fail. It broke no records, had no hits, won no major awards, and barely sold world wide. It is not a classic on any level. B’Day is more classic than 4!! Y’all tried though.
B**** CALM DOWN HER ALBUM HAD 2 #1 SONGS LOVE ON TOP AND PARTY JUST CHECK HER YOUTUBE CHANNEL STUPID H**
Well at least you said B’day was a classic….
and you stan for katy perry. Katy, riri fans are always envious of beyonce since their faves lack any real talent!. OH WELL.
@PERTTYGURL NONE OF HER SINGLE AND I MEAN
NARRRRRRRY ONE HAD AS MUCH OF A IMPACT AS RIHANNA’S SINGLE “WFL” IT HAS WENT PLTIUM 8 TIMES
OPEN WIDE AND SUCK, BOO BOO!!!!! 8X PLaitun and still making waves.
@lax Single ladies was #1 for 12 weeks so what the hell are you talking bout #knowyourfacts
@RICHENBLACK and just how many MOONS
was thst ago, and remember you or only as good as yo last hit deery. Iam speaking of bey’s “4” not hits NAAAADA, NO HITS DEERY NONE AT ALL….Now if rih didn’t have hits from her album not only would you be screaming from the mountain top about it not making it to number #! in the us you’d be talking smack about how she don’t have no hits
PS
Tell you what rich if its okay for bey to not have a hit song off her album “4” then it dang sure is okay for rihanna to not have a #1 in the united states since RIHANNA HAD A #1 ALBUM on the world charts, deery!!!!!!
why she got 2 be so damn s*** like that?
It’s too early to be considered a classic. But 4 is Beyonce’s best album. The sounds are unlike anything I hear on the radio (End of Time, Love on Top, I Miss You) 4 is so underrated. Beyonce’s most classic album in my opinion is I Am… Sasha Fierce, that era was amazing & it slayed in every aspect (sales & Grammys) it even started a dance phenomenon (Single Ladies). Not to mention songs like Halo & If I Were A Boy are still memorable & will never get old.
You KILL me with that dp!!! LOL! Damn Rih….Anyway, too early???? Please stop. It’ll be a year sunday and it’s done nothing. You really think in another year this album will move anymore numbers?? or be winning any awards??? Come on, let’s use common sense now…
Litlle b****** like you will hate i bet your favorite want come near in singing better then beyonce and why you hating this album done won alot awards
@naturalbeauty, that dp is LIFE!! LMAO! and i agree with you for the most part,my only problem is that you’re not yet convinced that the masterpiece that was 4 is not already a classic?! because content-wise,it’s her absolute best album! If we gonna go with commercial success then DIL is that album,2 #1’s and 4 top 10’s! If we’re gonna talk global domination and certifying her stardom,then IASF was that album! Tour wise,the B’day era and the Beyonce experience was EVERYTHING AND MORE!!! the woman never fails to deliver every time she steps onto the scene which is why i STAN for her!
@enough onika
b**** please…you and your mama know that 4 was the s***! 2011’s biggest selling r’n’b album!
@ALONZO AGAIN with the “YOU”RE A HATER! WHY YOU HATING ON THE QUEEN?! Blah blah Who the f*ck cares. Truth is the truth, whether it’s Beyonce, GaGa, Rihanna etc. No ones exempt from the truth just because they’re your false God. I’m not a stan for anyone in pop music, that’s some junior high sh*t. If the music’s good it’s good and when it’s not (aka 4) it’s not. Period. Point is “4” wasn’t a commercial success and there’s no song on the album that can be deemed a classic. Stay delusional just because it’s “Beyonce.” I swear, if she released a track of herself shittin out spicy Indian food, ya’ll would STILL justify why it’s “classic.” Please find reason for your life cause standing for false God’s is pathetic.
@OhBaby Dummy, the above post pertains to you as well. #FindReason
So is “Umbrella” Helllllllllo!
@LAX We’re talking about “albums” not fast food singles. Did you find your school pysch yet?
ps: 4 was not meant to explode. it was all planned
I am a beyonce stan as well but to say her or any artist doesn’t want success is pure foolery. That statment makes all Beys look bad.
I think he means 4 was never expected to sell like her prev albums. Beyonce was pregnant …. Thats not a small deal
Yeah for me 4 is definitely a classic! I think 4 it’s Beyoncé’s best work!!! Definitely my favourite album though.
No.
Truthly the content in the album was amazing but because she releases the wrong song first it flopped.
if she releases schoolin life THAT ALBUM IS GONNA S*** ON THE REST !!
Beyonce needs to put EOT SIL as singles so she can end this era off at a high note.
No pls LOT was a high point. No more singles. Lets pine for a new album by November #BeyHive
Wait, you dont want at least a EOT video?
no i dont, the longer yall drag out this era, the longer it’ll take before new era kicks off besides the videos off 4 havent been all that albeit RTW. id rather EOT stays great without taint
A Classic?! Like “Back To Black”???? Euuuuuh Nope! But Best Bee’s Album:-)
Classic albums:
The Beatles: Abbey Road, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band and their entire discography.
Elvis Presley: Elvis’ Christmas Album, From Memphis to Vegas/From Vegas to Memphis, He Touched Me and his entire discography.
Bob Dylan: Highway 61 Revisited, Blonde on Blonde, Nashville Skyline, Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid, Blood on the Tracks, Infidels (THESE)
David Bowie: Space Oddity, The Man Who Sold the World, Hunky Dory, The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars, Diamond Dogs, Heroes”, Let’s Dance.
Bruce Springsteen: Born to Run, Darkness on the Edge of Town, The River, Nebraska, Born in the U.S.A., Human Touch, The Rising.
Prince: Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999, Purple Rain, Around the World in a Day, Sign o’ the Times, Diamonds and Pearls, Love Symbol Album, The Gold Experience, Emancipation…
Michael Jackson, Off the Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, History….
Madonna: Like a Virgin, True Blue, Like a Prayer, Erotica, Ray of Light, American Life, Confessions on a Dance Floor….
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Yea they do name the classic , thats right
thanks sucide.
Nope, Sam you are full of shyt !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smiles so true
YES “4” is the epitome of a CLASSIC !! obviously you idiots don`t understand the true definition . this album can be played straight through 100 times and still be my favorite of hers to date . A classic is an album that stands the test of time…do you listen to Soulja Boys albums today ? NO but he did have hits so my point is : an album is a classic when it is praised for the material and commercial success is apart of it of course . Being that she is one of the few still obtaining platinum status and had a top 20 and R&B #1 from the album , this by definition makes this record an all around masterpiece .
-have several seats,
and i thank you 🙂
As much as I like 4 I really don’t know if it will stand the test of time, and time is exactly what this album needs before we can start asking if its a classic, it only came out last year. To me a classic doesn’t necessarily mean your best piece of work, I would call 4 Beyonce’s most solid effort to date but I regard DIL more of a classic than 4. Plus I just don’t think 4 has had the warranted enough commercial success for it to be considered a classic either, not saying that, that is all that is required in order for an album to be a classic but I do feel that it is an aspect of it.
hell no! but it surely has some of beyonce`s best songs like love on top and end of time
Good Album but def not a classic. It was too inconsistent, all over the place. It was a good experimental album.
I DON’T KNOW IF 4 is a classic, but all i know is: THAT B**** IS MORE TALENTED THAN YOUR FAVES ! 😀
4 is the album that made me love beyonce honestly . so I say yes
Definitely not a classic! It is not emancipation of mimi!! Thats a classic you could play it 5 years after and still sounds relevant
This is beyonce best work and yes a classic because she had her best vocals on this album and she did not give us a whole album to party in the next 10 years people will still listening to this album because of her and her vocals and go threw emotions with this album now i say good day
HATERS COMMENT
AND I FORGOT TO SAY SHE HAD 2 #1 SINGLES OFF OF THIS ALBUM WITH OUT BEING ON TV SHOWS OR TOUR NOW B****** HAVE A SEAT AND SEE CAN YOUR FAV DO IT
Your argument is based off “personal” opinions and that doesn’t deem an album a classic. Rihanna has #1 single after #1 single, does that make her albums classic?? Hell no. The album was filled with mid-tempos and ballads…so? Beyonce was doing a bunch of runs…so? The meaning of a “classic” album is an album that is considered an artists best or most distinctive piece of work that exemplify a stage in the history of music. Now please tell me with FACTS, not your opinion or using those measly two #1 singles, how “4” is a classic album???
Examples of TRUE classic albums:
Michael Jackson – Thriller
Whitney Houston – The Bodyguard
Prince – Purple Rain
PS: Truth doesn’t equal hating.
I gave you facts and you bringing up people who been in the game 2x as longest beyonce now until you can find somebody then her you need to keep your mouth close
What does them being in the game longer have to do with me listing their albums as classics? When those albums came out they were in the game as long as Beyonce is today. Their sales, critical reviews, and innovative material made those albums classics. If you NEED someone in modern day since you pulling s*** out your ass, Adele has been in the game LESS than Beyonce with an album that can truly fall in the classic category. And I’m not a stan for Adele nor do I have her album so don’t play that b*******. And second, why don’t you reiterate your “facts” so we’re clear??
One word “ADELE” ALBUMS COULD THEY BE CONSIDERATED?
@LAX What the hell?? What are you diagnosed with? Considerated??? Your stupidity is truly astonishing. Huh, I mean surprising…I know your slow.
It’s a classic to me. It was filled with so much diversity and emotion with the songs it offered, in addition to the revolutionary vocals. Songs like 1+1, I care, Start Over, Schoolin’ Life, & I was here will always have a special place in my heart. I thank Bey for putting forth such an amazing work while surrounded with many mainstream artists today who don’t really share the same drive that she encompasses. Some people point out that the all of the album’s songs don’t really make for a cohesive piece. I think it depends on your outlook towards it. As an album, there was not much there conceptually that I could see, aside from great music. She didn’t really try to implicate any gimmicks with this album, just her talent and creative drive. As an artist, she continually shows growth and consistently gets better as time progresses. It’s actually quite scary when I think of how amazing she will do with the rest of the opportunities she has set for 2012.
Yessssssssssssss……minus RTW…
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ho my god rihanna fans traveling on wheels all day every day but belittle beyoncé rihanus seem to do better but sorry to say this is not the case
Beyonce has already played in a film in 2008 nimation rihanna’m not the queen b**** and yes you heard me correctly understood
she played the role of frontman wubbgirl shine in Wubb idol you can do research I remind you that beyoncé am not unlike the trend that makes the music rihanna generic only to sell his film has flopped on the single flopped and the with his voice as the goat will flop all the movie or did you walk beyoncé and this year she will play two more great movie role with clint Eastwood and tom Cruise and an animated film with colin farrelle then close it with this goat without talent you call your queen lol
4 IS A GREAT BODY OF WORK BUT NOT A CLASSIC…
IN THIS ERA OF MUSIC IT’S ONE OF MOST STANDOUT ALBUMS…
LOVE ON TOP IS A CLASSIC SONG…
IT PROBABLY WILL BE HER MOST MEMORABLE AFTER CRAZY IN LOVE AND SINGLE LADIES…
LOVE ON TOP SHOULD HAVE BEEN HER BIGGEST HIT…
SHE PROVED WITH THIS ALBUM SHE CAN MAKE AN ALBUM THAT WASN’T FULL OF UPTEMPOS… BUT ACTUAL
THIS ALBUM WAS A TRIBUTE TO R&B/BLACK MUSIC AS A WHOLE…
FROM “I CARE AND 1+1” BEING TRIBUTES TO PRINCE AND HIS WHOLE ERA OF BLENDING ROCK, POP, AND R&B TOGETHER…
“I MISS YOU AND LOVE ON TOP” BEING TRIBUTES WHITNEY, STEVIE, MICHAEL JACKSON DURING THEIR 80’S ERAS…
“RATHER DIE YOUNG” BEING INFLUENCED BY THE GAMBLE AND HUFF CLASSIC R&B SOUND OF PHILLY…
“I WAS HERE, BEST THING I NEVER HAD, START OVER” BEING INFLUENCED BY TODAY’S SOUND…
“END OF TIME” BRINGING IN HER OWN GENRE AND MAKING HER OWN…
AND “RUN THE WORLD” FOR THE FANS…
More classic albums, this time just females:
Patti Smith: Horses.
Blondie: Parallel Lines, Eat to the Beat, Autoamerican.
Whitney Houston: Whitney Houston, Whitney, I’m Your Baby Tonight, My Love Is Your Love, The Bodyguard.
Mariah Carey: Music Box, Daydream.
Celine Dion: The Colour of My Love, Falling into You, Let’s Talk About Love.
Tina Turner: Private Dancer, Foreign Affair.
Amy Winehouse: Back to Black.
Adele: 21.
Norah jones: Come Away with Me
I KNOW DAMN WELL YOU DID NOT SAY AMY WINEHOUSE THAT GIRL COULDN’T SING BEYONCE SING BETTER THEN ALL OF THEM EVEN PATTI LABELLE AND CELINE DION AND TINA TURNER SAID IT BUT R.I.P AMY
Amy was way more talented than Beyonce.
Even tho Amy couldn’t sing better than Beyonce, she was more talented than Beyonce musically and lyrically
wow! you should be killed for saying that!!! amy winefuckinghouse was the business!! her 2 albums are classics!! one of the greatest voices ever, , you probably did’nt really listen to her music, she was amazing
21 really? I would ask you to name some songs off the album but your ass is so sneaky you’d go and look it up
With all the hype that 21 have, this album will be a classic whatever we like it or not.
Someone like you is an all time classic song. The piano in that song is just amazing on its own
ADELE’S ALBUM ISN’T A CLASSIC…
SONGS IN A MINOR BY ALICIA ARE MORE CLASSIC THAN THAT…
AND MARIAH CAREY’S FIRST ALBUM IS MORE CLASSIC THAN MUSICBOX…
IM YOUR BABY TONIGHT AND YOUR LOVE IS MY LOVE ARE NOT CLASSICS…
YOU’RE WRONG…
Whatever……
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AMY SOUND JUST LIKE A MAN
Norah Jones? Seriously? You lost me there
LTM, it’s not about the artist but the album.
This album is a classic! No if’s and’s or but’s about it! The ‘4’ album finds it’s way into these different post almost as much as Bey does. It’s compared to any pop or R&B album that gets released. Do you know why? … It’s because it made a lasting impression. As much as people try to downplay the success of that album it just doesn’t stick.
After barely receiving mainstream airplay, all the nit-picing with her videos controversies, the near month long album leak and the haters giving her singles low rating on itunes – Beyonce still came in at #1, stayed there for 2 weeks, lived in the top 10 for almost a dozen weeks, produced 2 #1 R&B hits(as well as a Dance #1) and went platinum plus. Sorry, but it’s not a flop by anyone means.
Bey’s peers are at the peak of their careers and they’re also inside the same 1-2 million bracket Honey B (whose been in this game for 15 years now) is in. *Hand claps*
It’s nothing to prove! It’s all about continuing to build your legacy. None of what Bey achieved was an easy feat. This was a pregnant woman were talking about , STILL out performing your favs.
…but let’s talk about sales, since it’s so damn important: Rihanna’s TTT been out for 7 month’s and it’s still not platinum, Nicki Minaj is barely obtaining Gold (almost 3 months into her era), Madonna MDNA doesn’t have success in it (it’s no longer on the charts), Usher ‘slooking For 4 M…iracles(he’s not on track to go platinum at this point). The list goes on (add these names: Kelly Rowland, Monica, etc ). I’m not being harsh, I have nothing against some of the artists I named. It’s just always people throwing bricks from their glass houses everyday living just to bash Beyonce.
Bottom Line: ‘4’ is a great album, it’s going to be talked about for a long time to come and I do believe it’s one of those albums that will get the respect it truly deserves 5-10 years from now.
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Only the stans believe this album is classic. It’s just ok.
Yes and let’s talk about how she went against the grain and didn’t make an electro-pop dance album. Beyonce already knows how to get people to dance she made he dance album with B’day with them rough hard club beats, and with I Am.. Sasha Fierce. For an R&B album to go platinum, and achieve top 20 hits on the POP CHARTS, body does that these days! She really changed it up and I love and appreciate 4,. Queen B STING!! “PLATINUM” considered a flop for Beyonce, but a HUGE success for other artists.hrmm check yourself.. B still moving units and watch her hold it down on the next album..
One thing is for sure you can’t TALK up a
CLASSIC you have to sing it and if her album was a CLASSIC
we would all know about it without a debate folks.
Yes! Love on top most defiantly!
its a pretty good album the audience is either pop-washed or forgot what music-is. quiet as’ kept rather die young is grammy worthy that song so…. *exhales*
In my opinion 4 was Beyoncè’s best and most mature work as a whole. With better promotion and single choices this album had the potential to sale atleast 7M WW. But it didn’t sell great and nor did the singles. This doesn’t take away from this album being great tho. It’s easy to listen to and IMO it has a few songs that are classic I.E.(End of Time & Schoolin Life). But this album is not a classic on the sales front.
Yes to me, It’s a classic. I still played it straight thru today. Tbh Bey’s artistry is underrated, it’s something i’ve discussed with music enthusiast friends of mine who arent even into mainstream music. The thing the woman does with her voice …. The next artist simply cant. I hope when she’s in her 40s, she’ll start flaunting her skills to the fullest. Her s*** image can be placed on back burner then. She is yet to utilise her full potential as is
What is classic and what isn’t depends on how you look at it. Major hits, record achievements, major album sales, and critical acclaim can make an album classic, but an album can still be considered a classic without all of that. Like someone already said, Blueprint 1 is a hip-hop classic without hits or sales. Britney’s Blackout is a pop classic even though its her most under performing album (with the exception of Femme Fatale). IMO, 4 is an R&B classic album. It was a unique work of art with a sound similar to no other release that time frame. 4 is something that can be listened to time and time again (your a liar if you say I Was Here didn’t slay your life). 4 is a flop by Beyonce’s standards and for any major release, but for an R&B album it did good. Name one R&B album that sold better that year?
Good Read and the truth.
Simply NO
This feels like a post created solely for the purpose of inciting drama. Anywho, I don’t consider this album a classic. I personally didn’t care for it, but that’s just me. However, it did garner great critical response and it seemed to go over well with most of the Beyonce fans-some didn’t like it though. I think ultimately it may find it’s place in the category of “underrated” or “fan-favorite” in the Beyonce catalog like Whitney’s “I’m Your baby Tonight” or Mariah’s “Emotions” or Madonna’s “Erotica”
Exactly.
No Beyonce fans LOVE it. Its the general public that did not warm up to it. Im on fansites, message boards & twitter. Bey’s fanbase love the album. The album we dint love as much was IASF which ironically was Bey’s most successful era ever in every way lol
You’re the Beyonce stan, so I’ll defer to you. I am curious though, what is the stan consensus on “B’Day”? I’ve always loved the album cover art and “Deja Vu”.
ain’t that the truth cause to be real with you I DIDN”T CARE FOR IASF
Bday is a fan-favourite. up until 4, it was the Beyhive’s favourite album because of its consistency and that’s the era Beyonce became the performer she is today. bday si the kinda album that u can listen to as a whole as is 4. IASF on the other hand is polarising, the I Am fans vs SF fans lol. i will say though the great songs on IASF are better than ones on 4
thank you for that tidbit of information. Where does the “Dreamgirls” soundtrack fit in? I’ve always said that soundtrack is where I really took notice to her vocally.
@alexis Carrington you or so right on.
Ok, I have to say…
“4” was not a flop in terms of artistic achievement but it didn’t fare very well commercially. I would not say it was a classic and that comes down to it’s execution and production. Many of the songs just don’t stand out enough with production that sounds unfinished and unimaginative. Beyonce said she wanted to visit some of the by-gone era’s of music. The major problem here was that she failed to add anything to genres and styles that had been done very well before. Consider “Party” and “Love on Top”, enjoyable songs? Yes. Amazing productions? No! I couldn’t understand why there were no futuristic or unique embellishments to these songs. These styles have been done before so if your going to remake it bring it to today’s standards. An example of what I’m talking about is Herby Hancock’s “Rock It” and Michael Jackson’s “Bad” singles (the extended dance mix of the latter) You can clearly hear how MJ used a similar type of electronic sequencing/white noise and polished so that even today it sounds revolutionary. “4”‘s music just sounds unispired with the exception of “End of Time”, but that song is not without it’s faults either.
“End of Time” is ruined by DULL percussion. You can imagine how it would have sounded had Quincy Jones or Narada Michael Walden produced it with crisp clear snare drums and, cymbals and high-hats etc. Good examples of their SHINY sounds are found in “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough”, “Workin’ Day and Night” “I Wanna Dance With Somebody” “License To Kill”. All of these songs have horn sections yet manage to balance out the texture of the sounds so it doesn’t feel so heavy. Wasn’t this mentioned around the executive decision table!!!
“Countdown” is ANOTHER misstep. When do Dancehall music inspired songs NOT have a bassline??? Coming from the Caribbean we know that any time you drop a Dancehall beat you HAVE TO HAVE a good bass guitar or even keyboard to go with it or it sounds empty. What do you dance to if not the bass? That song could have destroyed Notting Hill Carnival if it was done correctly…but nope!
“Best Thing I Never Had” was very oversung. Beyonce went back to here DIL era and riffed and ran all over the place to the point where the message wasn’t even believable. The song was quite good but felt a bit out of place. It wasn’t even obvious it was Babyface which is unusual, his sound is normally VERY distinct and his songwriting.
“I Care” is AMAZING and demonstrates why Beyonce is one of the best singers in Pop music., This woman KNOWS how to drive her voice with great steering. I have to say though that this Babyface/Diane Warren/David Foster was again let down by dull percussion which makes it ound noisy. Compare Whitney’s “I Have Nothing” once again you hear sharp, crisp clear percussion which balances with the timpani sounding booms and loud sounds created by the percussive instruments. Jeff Bhasker, who is a great musician/writer, shouldn’t criticize Rico Love and Kelly Rowland when he needs to listen to Babyface, Narada, Darkchild and Quincy Jones because his work is almost like their’s, it’s just not as refined.
“1 + 1” was good but I’m not sure if that was the best song to OPEN the album with. “I Miss You” was empty and started just as it begun, it drifted off into space with no impact except it sounding nice. I’m sure music should do more than that.
“Rather Die Young” was really good, especially because it sounded similar to E, W & F’s “After the Love is Gone” however, at the end it didn’t progress, the instruments didn’t “jam” like a song of that era should. Compare the triumphant ending of Earth, Wind and Fire’s songs such as the aforementioned and “Fantasy”. Even their fast songs like “Let’s Groove” and “September” end on a climax.
Lastly, Beyonce like Christina Aguilera REALLY NEEDS to invest in using backing singers for their projects. Despite their big ranges and impressive skills there’s only so much one person’s voice can do. Even Whitney and Mariah had male and female backing singers who had different ranges, tones, textures and brought a unique sound to the music. (CIssy Houston is on “I Wanna Dance With Somebody” and Trey Lorenz isn’t going ANYWHERE!!!) Chaka Khan even used a young Whitney on the original “I’m Every Woman”. It seems that with church choir singers you’re made to sing with other people/alternate parts and appreciate their unique voices but with child singers they can be so used to always singing alone or being told by people that they’re great they really think they can “Do it all!!!” This is what separates the Whitney’s, Mariah’s and Chaka’s from the Beyonce’s and Christina’s. Even Lady Gaga’s 1st album got tiring just because she was the only voice singing on it…it was too much after a while.
I would have liked to throw in the Beyonce songwriting issue as classics really come from originality …and honesty but I see such topics don’t get covered on TGJ anymore!!! Writing a song is not the same as buying one…congrats Amy Winehouse, Adele, Duffy and the older greats MJ, Mariah, Stevi, Donna Summer, Lionel Richie!!!
Damn!! u know your music…. i thought i knew music…. u on twitter? what did u think was wrong with RTW as a single? Only thing i disagree with you on is your analysis of Party that song was SENSATIONAL! It really gave me that nostalgia feeling of the 90’s, you said it had been done before , in my opinion for it to have such a throwback feel it was refreshing for me.
*nostalgic
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No, it is not a classic album at all. It’s a nice record mixed with boring that’s it. But I just can’t with those d*** sucking lipz, oh my! 😛
if the woman released the right singles at the right time this album would have done so much time and been a classic
She hardly used her pregnancy to her advantage apart from the Love On Top MTV stint. not releasing it as a single with a video after that was the 2nd biggest mistake of this whole era.
The Biggest Mistake is not releasing End of Time instead of Run The World as the Lead Single.
if she did those two things right she’d have two #1s off this album and it would have sold much more than 2.7 Million,
the 1st week sales would have been off the chart and she’d be at something like 7 maybe 8 Million WW by now like with her other Albums.
End Of Time and Love On Top had the potential to be her biggest hits but her Marketing team are idiots.
Way too early to be asking this question
I can’t. An album is a classic a year after it’s release LMFAOOOOOOOO
I hate your comments most of the time but I gotta agree with you this time…I can’t either.
@Jer…..i’ll drink to that.
On a second thought, 4 was a classic to the R&B as a genre. It really went through allthe different musical ERAs of R&B while doing a GOOD ADD JOB! Beyoncè showed that she can last in this industry while staying true to where she came from; R&B. #LongLiveTheKing #Back2Business
Forgot to mention that the cover art was TERRIBLY BORING!!!!! Beyonce was in Paris when she shot that, why didn’t she show it!?! She could have taken that pic in her bathroom! Not to mention the bear costume she’s wearing! The deluxe pic is MUCH better!!
As for awards, she did win an American Music Award, Soul Train, MTV Video, Billboard and BET are sure to give her the whole station at this point so it’s not over yet!!!
Not to mention she’ll def enter “Live at Roseland” for the Long Form Video Grammy, (and probably “I Care” & “Love on Top” for Vocal Performance too) which will be a way of her winning an award for her whole album which she performed live or “live” (not sure) sans “Start Over.
I love bey. She’s a talented artist and hardworking woman but uhhh HELL NO.
Dangerously in love and B’day, sasha fierce PROBABLY.
but the music on 4 is better than any of the album you named
And I don’t care what anybody says… 21 is not a classic album. It is over hyped. I bought the album and being totally unbiasedb, 21 isn’t that great. There are about 5 songs that are great. Alicia Keys As I Am and Beyoncè’s 4 slays 21 on the musical stand point IMO! Sorry but I just don’t get all the hype behind Adele.
no shade against Adele but 21 only had like 2 songs that I like and thats it
For an album to be a CLASSIC It has to have commercial success, a lot of successful singles on billboard 100, not just a few, and it has to be remembered years from now.
Will we care about run the world, I care, I was here, and the other ones years from now? NO. It was only good in the moment cuz we love Beyonce and we are watching her every move. But at least I can say the album is a lot more classic than TTT and any of riri’s albums. *shade* (no offense. I did love rihanna’s album LOUD tho but not as a classic)
why wont we care? those songs are quality. the vocal performance on i care, love on top, i miss you end of time are not heard on everyday albums. i plan to listen to 4 for years to come. it’s silly to assume people only like a song cus of the name Beyonce attached. a great song is a great song. speak for yourself
Hun speak for yourself, PS. Loud was a fun album, with euro trash pop no shade
@Richenblack so true!
I think the album itself wasn’t about #1 singles, or the most airplay, I think it was just about making a statement and good music. I have to admit, 4 caught me off guard but yes it was a great album. She’s already proved she can have hits, she’s already proved she can move units, EVEN WITH a lead single that people are iffy about. (ie B’Day, which i think is her best body of work to date!) The question is, can this body of work be appreciated for what it is, and not what it sold or singles it produced? I’d rather have a great album that makes me feel good about the money I spent, instead of buying a album just because the first single “slayed” the charts. Smh, it just comes down to, people not knowing real music anymore. I’d say the album is classic beyonce.
PERFECTLY STATED
it caught me off guard too cus i was expecting an album like IASF. I guess it’s a good thing in retrospect. I was worried i mightn’t like it cus im not into ballads, slow songs as such but i loved every song at 4 at first listen except rather die young lol
bey k listen to rather die young again ….babe that song goes in
Well stated
yes yes and yes! Her best album to date by far! Then comes IA…SF and the DIL and the B’DAY! Love my Bey! I’m still jamming to 4 like when i first heard it 3 weeks before release date 😉 tihi. and both my deluxe and standard copies are still in constant rotation in my room and in my car 🙂
HELL NO! It did have some good music tho! Currently I’ve been playin the s*** out of ‘Start Over’
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nobody is falling for your trick boo
What trick?
LOOK AT YOUR PICTURE RIHANNA LOOKING LIKE A GIRL WHO WANTS SOME D***
@ALONZO AND BEY DON’T LIKE D***?????????
THAT IS NEWS TO ME AND THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just mad cause beyonce don’t sleep with all the people in music industry
Beyonce’s 4 Album is a classic. Artisticly and vocally it’s her best work and when you are a true artist that’s all that matters. Years from now our children can listen to 4 and learn about singing and live instruments, great harmonies, modulations and all the things missing from pop music today.
What’s makes y’all think beyonce who is married to jay z who has some leverage in Rihanna’s career as the head of roc nation just couldn’t get. Calvin Harris David guetta and dr Luke to make cheap techno dance pop for his wife duhhhhhhhhh riri looks up to bey so why all the hate Jay z uses beyonce to help groom his artist. Y’all dumb as f***
They sure or as dumb as rocks, we all know that “4” was beyonces album that she did entirely without her dads assistance at all, and her break out album it was allit but CLASSIC???????
IM A HUGE BEY STAN
I’M APART OF THE BEYHIVE
IT’S A GOOD ALBUM, BUT NOT A CLASSIC.
BUT I FEEL LIKE PERSONALLY FOR BEYONCE HERSELF IT’S A CLASSIC BECAUSE IT’S WHERE SHE WAS AT IN HER LIFE. BUT I WILL SAY THIS AND DIL ARE MY LEAST FAVORITE ALBUMS FROM HER, BUT I DO FEEL DIL WAS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A CLASSIC ALBUM (WHETHER I LOVE IT OR NOT)
I DO HOPE HER NEXT ALBUM IS A LOVE CHILD OF B’DAY AND I AM… SASHA FIERCE!
I HOPE SHE GOES BACK TO MORE POP R&B TRACKS….
I HOPE MORE UPTEMOS ARE LIKE “GET ME BODIED” “UPGRADE U” “SWEET DREAMS” “SINGLE LADIES” “END OF TIME” AND THE MID TEMPOS ARE MORE “IRREPLACEABLE” “THAT’S HOW YOU LIKE IT” AND THE BALLADS ARE “I AM…” DRIVEN ALL THE WAY! BUT MORE “AVE MARIA” & “THAT’S WHY YOU’RE BEAUTIFUL”
I really think that “4” is a classic album. The album is full of hits, melodies, harmonies, and creativity. This album is one of the most cohesive albums since “Dangerously in Love”. I love the album and I love Bey. No other artist can do it like her. You can all say what you want about her but at the end of the day you have to RESPECT her for perfecting her craft. Count the number of artist that can sing live, and dance their b*** off during each performance w/o it sounding like crap…very few. Bey is the best performer of our GENERATION. Following in the footsteps of the LATE GREAT Michael Jackson.
CLASSIC…..don’r talk to me about album sales the last time I checked that’s not what made an album a classic it was the material. Great material all the way through…
YASSS YOU CAN PLAY 4 FROM BEG TO END NO SHADE
Absolutely..
With over 2 million copies sold worldwide since its 2011 release, it’s safe to say Beyonce‘s ’4′ struck a positive chord with the general public and her ever loyal ‘Beyhive‘.
2 million worldwide After a year, what are you Boasting about that is some unimpressive sales.
Yep…..
it was my favourite album of 2011 but no its not a classic. there hasnt been any classic albums dropped in the past couple of years.
Album ‘4’ Is Her most decisive moments …. I’m in love with ‘4’ Because is True Music,True Love… In live is GORGEUS….¡¡ is a CLASICC¡
y ass YOU HAVE TO HEAR THE SONGS LIVE
I think a classic has to not only be a good album, but also capture an era. I don’t think Bey has any classics, although I enjoy all her albums to varying exents, but I do think 4 set the stage for her next album to be one.
DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE is a CLASSIC !
HELL NAH FAR FROM CLASSIC ADELE HAS THE CLASSIC ALBUM HUNTY!!
YAAAAAAASSSSSS
Bey da greatest
-______________________________- It really must be a slow news day. Classic? NO. While its not a bad album, this is by far her worst. And 2-3 million sold worldwide is nothing to brag about. No hit singles or anything. Find something else to post TGJ, ya’ll stay reaching for artists that pay ya’ll no mind. Smh
NO! What kind of question is that?
TO THE PERSON WHO SAID BEYONCE IS BETTER THAN AMY WINEHOUSE, are you F****** CRAZY??? even STEVIE WONDER COMPARED HER TO ETTA JAMES! AND YOU KNOW U’RE THE S*** WHEN A LEGEND COMARES YOU TO ANOTHER LEGEND!! i love bey but comparing her to amy winehouse who really knew what music was about is really insulting!!
sorry i meant compares
I love Bey.
To me “4” si not a classis…
There are millions of albums that have been made that mean millions of different things to millions of different people. But there are a few of these that can be said are timeless creations, works of art that define a movement, time or place in popular culture. But what defines these albums? When it comes down to figuring this out i believe the qualities needed to create can be split into four categories; Lyrical quality, musicianship, social context and how innovative a piece of music is at the time of release.
So again to me I will consider albums such as
The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill = CLASSIC
Back To Black (Amy Winehouse) = CLASSIC
Illmatic (Nas) = CLASSIC
21 (Adale) = CLASSIC
Come On Over (Shania Twain) = CLASSIC
Blackout (Britney Spears) = CLASSIC (We all know Britney is not the strongest vocalist when compared to Christina Aguilera or Mariah Carey, but strong vocals is not what “Blackout” is about. “Blackout” is fresh, modern, and edgy and Every track on this album is hypnotically produced to create a sound that listeners and critics would expect to hear in 2020)
The only album I LOVE from Beyonce is “B’DAY”…. I love how that album was influenced by a variety of American genres. but it still not a CLASSIC.
AGREE 1000% BLACKOUT WAS FIRE!!!!!!!!!! 😉
Blackout was Epicness. Even the demos were amazing.
IS THIS A JOKE I LOVE KING BEY BUT 4 WERNT NO CLASSIC AND U R ASS KNOWS IT ALL THIS OVER HYPENESS OF BEYONCE BY PPL LIKE IS WHAT OUTS PPL OF HER YEA SHE GREAT BUT NOT TO LEVEL U PUT HER
AMAZING album, yet not sure it is a classic in comparison to her previous 3 albums…
The messy era and unorganised single releases has cursed the albums sales!
What makes something ‘classic’ is when you hear it and you have that moment that is a time capsule. Classic,’ is when you hear a record that gives you a moment that you can remember where they were when you first heard it or heard your favorite song I think Beyonce did that with this album for me so its a classic in my book.
yes bey 4 album is classic that is one of her best work ever only hatemongers sees it other wise long live queen bey
CLASSIC-its an awesome album!
What is it about “Run the World (Girls)” that pisses people off so much? I love that song and have the live performances on my iPod. It was the best thing on “4” imho. Can someone shed light on the acrimony many have for the song?
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You can’t help but bowed to this character. She is created the t.v. category of “bad b****”.
First Of all : what genre is “Run the World” ?
this is important when you are a Beyonce FAN.
-Second : The lyrics Were NOT all that. Or maybe it was too conscious for a Dance song !! And Folks don’t wanna hear about a woman Empowering other women , they want ” Cake cake cake” , ” Like a girl gone wild’ , you know , those songs that will make you dance but won’t make u think too much about the lyrics.
they are like :
{
b**** say what , ” my persuasion can build a nation” ??!! are u f*****’ serious ???
B**** PLEASE , i’m here to party , don’t ruin it for me. NOW mr. DJ , give me a damn Real dance song }
-Third : The Lyrics + the Beat weren’t Parallel with each other , You have a Very Danceable beat which require minimum Lyrics/talking and you have Too much Lyrics Over/throughout the track , which will sound TOO much for the average Listener , hence liking “Pon de floor” More despite being the same song “sound-wise” !!
-Forth : BEYONCE STANS expectations were higher and Bigger than “Run the world” , they wanted that single form her that will stay in #1 for like a Year or so as a sign of victory or something i don’t know about .. . And when they heard “RTW” the leak , it helped a LOT to make things worse , their Expectations went higher to the point they Won’t let her do what they don’t want Her to do , when they Heard the full version ” when released to iTunes” , they gave Up and trashed the song more than her actual haters who laughably loved it.
to sum it up : they wanted a “SAFE” , “TYPICAL-beyonce ” and a “HIT” single form her but she gave them a Pretty much “experimental” one , and since that was not wanted at this Time around , they Left it to rot in the bottom of charts. they wanted a single that will achieve that ” ROUND IV” frenzy they dreamed of , but “RTW’ was not it , so ….
but “RTW’ what make me respect beyonce as an artist who wanted to Widen her horizons as an artist without giving a damn about superficial things like #1’s and sales and s*** ! #TRUE artist !
WELL DONE BEYONCE.
here is the whole thing !! And BTW , that came up from a BIG beyonce fan who is a friend of mine and i pretty much agree with it !!
THE END
RTW is a great song (I think people bash it because it was a lead single). It was too much innovation for some folks. I’m glad Bey brought that single to life with her performances and the amazing visual. The song doesn’t have to fit in a genre or follow the typical structure of every song we hear on the radio. The enitre ‘4’ era was raw and risky. It’s actually one of my favorite era’s from her. I not only fell in love with Bey all over again, as an artist – I ended up having a new found respect for the woman.
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Thanks ONLY to The-Dream & Shea Taylor and the few other writers/producers on it yes, NOT for Beyonce’s ‘talent’ also she just ripped off the 80s vibe The-Dream had with Electrik Red which is a classic, underrated album also..
What a dumb article and a dumber comment section. Everyone has standards of classic. Its a personal opinion.
beyonce sold over 3 million worldwide not 2
I would say yes, its a classic. Due to Beyonce status as an artist she knew she could afford to make a less commercial album but in the grand scheme of things in will not be viewed in a negative light in the long run. Years or decades from now some of those songs will be included in a ‘Best Of’ type of collection and purchasers will consider them classics. I have such collections by artists like Prince, Patti Labelle, Marvin Gaye or Gladys Knight and although some of the included songs may not have charted high or garnered a Grammy nomination, the body of work of these type of artists, including albums and compilations, is viewed as classic as a whole. Beyonce will be the same.
1.2 MILLION IN THE U.S.
800K IN UK.
300K IN BRAZIL
80K IN CANADA
150K IN FRANCE
100K IN AUSTRALIA
20K IN POLAND
500K IN IRELAND
50K IN RUSSIA
it is a GREAT ALBUM , and it is early to call it a CLASSIC. maybe one of the best albums that was released in 2011 will be reasonable and understandable , but CLASSIC is too much glorifying and Over-rating for “4” i guess … , but it is already the most played album in my Last.fm library , so , GOOD JOB Beyonce !! “4” is a great album and i love it more and more with every play.
PARTY , LOVE ON TOP , I MISS YOU , 1+1 , i was here >>>>
the album is DOPE DOPE DOPE
BUT the word “Classic” differs from person to Person , but STILL i can see “4” handle the test of time !! and Classic albums should be “Known” for everyone ( e.g : Thriller , like a prayer , JANET , etc ….. ” , “4” is TOO young to be called a Classic , the same goes to “21” !! we still don’t know what the future hold when it comes to artistry. It Get Worse at times , but also we got People like “LANA del rey” who really make a balance in people’s personal tastes , Not the Garbage artists/T*** Pop acts we are having now.
OVERALL , another DUMB POST to get hits by @sam …. 🙄
your Blog performance is just like “Talk that talk” and “You Da One” chart performances , NO …. even worse !
*Hits play on Confessions on a DanceFloor*
DUMB ASS IS AN ALBUM HAVE TO OLD TO BE CALL CLASSIC?
not obligatory , but Overall , to be accurately judged and labelled as a classic album : YES.
Well said
I dont get why all the dislikes on your comment,since you are 100% right! I love the album, but it is too early and overall ungrateful to predict will or will it not be a classic.
such a classic she can sing live ND DANCE LIKE NO OTHER SHE BRINGs MJ back alive when she performs, she is one amazing singer in the world she brought music back TO WHERE IT MEANT TO BE FROM SUPA VOCAL STUFF LIKE 1+1 WHICH SHOWS HER ABILITY OF TAKING OVER WHITNEY HOUSTON, MARIAH CARREY THE SONG SOLD 900.000 COPIES WORLD WIDE WENT ON #5 US BILLBOARD #57 HOT100 #21 UKCHART #14 PORTUGUESES CHART#82 CANADA. #45 WORLDWIDE. HER SECOND SINGLE I CARE WAS SUCH AN ELECTRIC SHOCK WHICH SOWS BEY BRIGGING DONNA SUMMER AND ETTA JAMES ALIVE DURING HER LIVE AT REVEL SHOWS CHARTS: #14 ON PORTUESES #11 UK #35 SOUTH KOREA
SHAKING YOUR AS$ IS NOT CONSIDER DANCING!
I SUGGEST YOU LOOK UP DANCING
BEYONCE RELEASE 1 HOT 2011 MUSICS HER ALBUM WAS AMAZING AND HER PERFORMANCE WAS FIRE SHE IS BRILLIANT
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 4 ITS CLASSIC PEOPLE WILL NOTICE IT 20 YEARS LATER WHEN THEY START KNOWING ABOUT THE ACTUAL GOOD MUSIC KEEP GOING BEY
NOPE PURE GARBAGE, THE B*TCH IS DONE…… IM NOT A FAN OF RIHANNA BUT THE HO3 IS ON TOP RIGHT NOW BUT ITS OK B FANS BEYONCE WAS FIRE IN 2007-2009 BE HAPPY…. 😉
and BEYONCE IS STILL ON TOP, YOU W.I.C BABY’S ARE FUNNY
yessss RIH’S album sales is higher every time, even though she dont go #1 in the US her ww sales are more massive than beyonce, i think beyonce is loosing her start power over old age and huge torso lol
As a whole album it falls out of the Classic Category to a wide commercial audience because of it rushed promo. But she has songs on the album that will stick out as classics to her fan base and still be appropriate and exciting to hear her perform 15 years from now. such as 1+1, Love on top, and Party, and end of time if she still wants to dance at 45. I really believe this album gave her some timeless material. As she gets older certain songs and types of choreography will leave her set list but she has a boat load of materiel that she can turn too.
For those that stay pressed to say “Beyonce’s latest album was un4tunate”…I say, “off with your heads!”
Well, your ears rather!
Beyonce’s “4” is a just a small window frame of the epic, grandeur, and simple greatness that is Bey! Every track resonates with the liste…you know what, I”m not even going to finish this, just so some random fan- of some other random artist (who will be forgotten about, unless they churn out more crap every six months)- can comment something of absolutely no worth.
Simply put…”4″ isn’t a classic, it’s iconic.
WhOs rihanna to beyonce and how’s beyonce a b**** idiot get a f****** like bey a b****? Where that leave rihanna a H**
Nope and here’s why: A classic album is one with NO bad songs! RTW was a trash song. Countdown was too.
Lies! This is strictly your opinion if a song is bad or not. RTW was not bad at all and Countdown was LIFE! YOU SOUND STUPID BECAUSE EVERY ALBUM IS GOING TO HAVE A LEAST FAVORITE SONG EVEN THRILLER HAVE A FEW SONGS THAT AREN’T ALL THAT! TBQFH
RTW was not bad?!?! Boy y’all stans are something else! Even die hard fans admit that song was trash. And what did she talk about in Countdown? Riding with her boof! And you think that’s classic!!! Aha I’m done.
Thriller did not have any trash songs. All the lyrics made sense. That album was original. I can’t say any of these things about 4. Why did it get snubbed at the Grammys? The best R&B album but no noms for best R&B album. Goodnight!
you sound so dumb……..you must stan for riri
JUST STFU AND ACCEPT FOR IS A CLASSIC
SIMPLY THE RNB ALBUM VOCALLY FOR 2011 TO 2012 FORTUNE HURRY UP
AHAHHAH YOU KNOW WHATS FUNNY WHEN MJ RELEASED OFF THE WALL PEOPLE WAS SAYING IT WAS A CLASSY ALBUM LOOK AT IT NOW……. AMAZING 4 IS 1 AMAZING ALBUM IF YOU LOVE REAL MUSIC U TRULY GUNA LOVE IT
HMMMM RUN THE WORLD, I CARE, I MISS U, I WAS HERE, BEST THING I NEVER HAD, COUNTDOWN, DANCE FOR YOU HMMMMMMMMMM I CANT EVEN REMEBER THE REST SO HOWS IT CLASSIC
STFU U MISSED 1+1 LOV E ON TOP, END OF TIME, RATHER DIE YOUNG THATS IT SO HOW IS IT NOT CLASSIC?
beyonce shouldve released “i care” That wouldve been an international SMASH!!!
I MEAN BEYONCE IS AMAZING RIGHT BUT JUST ACCEPT HER FAILURE PLZ………….. OK LETS GO 2003 DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE ALBUM SOLD OVER 8 MILLION WORLDWIDE AND ITS SINGLE SOLD 11 MILLION WORLD WIDE IN TOTAL 19 MILLION WORLD WIDE
ALSO HAD NUMBER 1 MOVIES SUCH AS AUSTIN POWERS, PINK PATHERS, FIGHTING TEMPETATIONS, FADE TO BLACK ETC….
2006 BDAY WOW ANOTHER AMAZING ALBUM SOLD 6 MILLION WORLDWIDE ITS SINGLE SOLD 8 MILLION WORLD WIDE TOTAL +14 MILLION WORLD WIDE AMAZING RIGHT
ALSO ANOTHER NUMBER ONE MOVIE DREAMGIRLS AND WE SAW BEY BECOME THE HIGHEST PAY BLACK ACTRESS IN HOLLOWOOD AND CADILLAC RECORDS ANOTHER AMAZING MOVIES
2008-09 sasha fierce sold over 24 million copies world wide which inludes its single which sold 17 million and the album sold 8 million world wide…………. amazing other number 1 movie obssessed amazing……….
2011 4 hmmm its single 4 million world wide the album 3.2million world wide aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh fffffffffffffffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllllllllled almost like BEYHIVE DONT EXIST ANYMORE
BEYONCE 15 YEARS IN THE BUSINESS WITH 378 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH WELL DONE BEY PAPA JAY GOT 423MILLION HMMMMMMMMMM POWERFUL COUPLE 4 S A CLASSIC BUT HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I KNOW DIDNT SELL WELL
NUM,BER 1 ALBUM HMMMMM YES ITS A CLASSIC MANY STAR ARE BEGGING FOR NO1 ALBUM LIKE RIHANNA WHO WILL NEVER GO ON NUMBER1
why go #1 and flop while you can still go at #3 and surpass the total sales, i mean is common sense even in style any more cuz u guys act like ignorant dummies, t #fact talkthattalk didnt go #1 in the US but it still came and out sold 4 album sales massively, so now u should talk a seat and watch as RIH continue to slay charts BITCHHHHH!!!!
no it didn’t 4 still has sold more than ttt
STUPID QUESTION OFCOURSE ITS A CLASSIC ALBUM
YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH BEY 4 ITS WAY BETTER THAN TTT YES ITS A CLASSIC
AINT GOINT TO DISAGREE
B
CLASSIC???????????? DO U KNOW THAT MEANING?
I’m not a stan, but I do believe 4 had the potential to be a classic. She made a lot of mistakes with the release of the album. Just to name a few, she released Run The World as the lead single and didn’t do enough promo.
For me it is, 4 was everthing to me, I can understand why some of the younging couldn’t relate, 4 was on an whole different level , either you like it or didn’t…
She should have release EOT as lead single instead of RTW
What a DUMB ASS article. This blog is so far up Beyonce’s ass it’s unbelievable.
CLASSIC albums are the likes of The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill, CrazySexyCool, Brown Sugar, Stripped, Confessions, The Chronic…NOT ‘4’ – a sub-par pop album released not even a year ago, that underperformed both comercially and critically and failed to bring anything new to the music scene. No hate. Only truth. I own the album and I like Beyonce as a performer, but the notion of considering this album a classic is beyond ridiculous. Real talk.
4 IS A CLASSIC ALBUM STAY MAD WE ARE WINNING
YES
A classic? No. But it is one of the Beyoncé albums that will be remembered in Summer 2011. When you think of “Dangerously In Love” and “I Am..Sasha Fierce” you think of classics. But “4” is Beyoncé’s biggest yet. What do you do when you have 16 Grammys and you are a multi-platinum selling artist? “4” gives Beyoncé a crown. She still has the throne. Now a rising Legend. “4” gives me a mature, more responsible woman. Beyoncé said they are songs that she can sing when she’s 40 or 60…
Of course not! It was pure SHITE !! Did you not see all of the singles from 4closure FLOP? No one was interested! A classic is one that will be remembered years & years from now
How do you suspect that 4orgotten will be remembered yrs from now if no one was interested in the music that was released from it? :/
& the album was only “critically acclaimed” because FLOPonce did something other than making ass shaking anthems for once..the response to that was flop after flop single HOWEVER I give her credit for trying 🙂
Thug Misses>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FLOPonces discography.
BLEACHonce is a DISGRACE to music and the ONLY thing the Theiving h** wil ever be known for is STEALING songs.
Nasti Muzik>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FLOPonces discography
Even Soulja Boys music>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
FLOPonces discogrphy (and Michael BLEACHsons for that matter) 😉
I love this album in years 2 come of course CLASSIC is all over it her best album
yet so much growth don’t’
know what 2 expect from her new album but thinking about it is driving me nuts CANNOT WAIT.
And QUEEN BEYONCE where are U I am having withdrawals syndrome from not seeing U
#missing The QUEEN
Run The World ruined it for me. It was a stupid song to empower women. I prefer Can’t Hold Us Down.
Classic=NO
I dont really know if Beyonce has deliever a CLASSIC album yet. Her first solo one was the closest to it but i think out of that era “Crazy in love” the single!! its a classic,not the album.
When u think about a CLASSIC album its an album that goes beyond hits on billboard, an album that leaves a mark in pop culture, thats a CLASSIC album.
Examples
Prince: Purple Rain
Madonna:Like a Prayer
Mariah Carey: The Emancipation of Mimi
Adele:21
This four albums are example of albums that people will NEVER forget, people (the random listener” even know the name of the albums cause they are CLASSICS
Adele 21 its already a Classic and it is still on the charts its not just an album selling well with hits on hit (Rihannas:Loud) , it makes an impact,marks an era!!
🙂 Yassssssssss IT IS
@virtuoso and rich n black
u all are speaking from a stan’s perspective. I’m speaking from a practical perspective. In my opinion it is not a classic. The urban and bey stans may think so but it hasn’t clicked with the general audience like DIL and I am…sasha fierce. Just my opinion. Classic in terms of good music YES. But I still think the songs are bland and could have been better. It’s not like it’s all that. Most of the songs on the album besides love on top, RTW, EOT are kinda boring. Jus sayin.
You found 1+1 and I Was Here boring?
I guess
SAM I know u missed her allot as well. But this one is LOL funny I know u love 2 see the BEY Hive drag them all but come on 4 was a Genius album no hits still out sold those with
hits only the #QUEEN
This topic is a joke right?!! A classic disappointment! Especially after her last flawless album “I Am…. Sasha Fierce”! The only people that this would be a classic to is the writer of this blog who is so far up B’s behind and maybe a few of his followers. Get real ‘4’ lacked in so many ways!
4 is a classic album to me
All these Beyonce juvenile stans don’t understand the music business or the true definition of a “classic album.” 4 doesn’t fall in the true meaning of a classic by a long shot. It is NOT her most distinctive piece of work and has NOT exemplify a stage in the history of music at all. Throwing out slow songs and doing a bunch of runs on them doesn’t mean sh*t. This is NOT an album people use to describe Beyonce’s music to someone who’s not familiar with her work. Sorry, that’s FACT and opinions don’t ever over rule facts in the court of law lol! #FactOverOpinion.
you sound so BITTER
@Richnblack11 And there’s your typical Beyonce stan response when truth is thrown in their face and there’s no lie around it…
I can’t with this post. This was created by TGJ for a stan war
To be honest I do look at it as a R&B classic. It’s easily one of the best contemporary R&B album of the last 5 years. To me, a classic isn’t defined as an album full of hit singles and multi-platinum sales. A classic album is about the material and the artistic growth that the artist shows.
Phyllis Hyman didn’t have “hit” singles that were chart toppers nor did her album go multi platinum. But what makes her album “Living All Alone” a TRUE classics (by definition not opinion) is that it exemplified a stage of history. It was distinctive and her most well known piece of work. When you describe Beyonce’s music to someone who doesn’t follow her career, do you use any material from “4?” Absolutely not. Again #FactOverOpinion
If I were to describe her career I would mention some of the material from “4” because it happens to be my favorite album from her. That’s how I feel #myopinion
YES
yes “4 deluxe” was a classic. love on top has a timeless sound that doesnt get old,, countdown is so different and unique,, i was here is so deep and touching,,& the list goes on….. the reason why i say deluxe though is because of the Prince-esque track SCHOOLIN LIFE 😀 which needs a video!!! i also like lay up under me from the deluxe album
YO PPL! How can u say 4 era is a flop??? went #1 in US, UK, Brazil, and many more countries, has laready sold 4 million worldwide, had epic memorable performances (billboard, oprah, glastonbury, vma, etc…), had 2 top 20 singles (love on top and best thing i never had), had a #1 r&b hit and a #2 R&b hit, shows sold out in 22 seconds (Legendonce! Queen B), was Grammy nominated for party (but snubbed for album of the yr), became the biggest selling R&B album of the year, Revel sold out and added a night, had a video anthology, videos have millions of views on youtube, nominated for most bet awards, and worlds most beautiful woman!! DUHH Why r ppl so stupid! like queen b says in resentment them other singers “aint even half of me”! she right, she was pregnant and still murdered every1!! read it and weap! rihanna could go f herself!
4 is classic
cause they wanted Beyonce to fail and she still came out on top
It did not sell 4 millions worldwide. it sold barelly 2 millions. ONE show was sold out in 22 seconds, not all. tickets for her show at reviel revol i don’t know where were still available months after it was announced.
you guys are not serious, rihanna’ talk that talk sold close to 4 mill ww and you called it a flop now beyonce floptastic 4 sell 2 mill and it successful ? this site is f***** bogus i hate you guys from being bias that s*** crayyy, and jut to throw shade, LOUS=D by rihanna is close to 8 mill, so top that beyonce beyhave yourselves fans 😛
wHEN DID TTT SELL 4MILL WW, KNOW YOU FACTS BEFORE YOU POST
I have NEVER read a bigger pile of tween stan horse s*** in my life. And ive read hundreds of BeYAWNce stans. This B******* is why BeYAWNce stabs are THE most disgusting, most dismissed, and biggest joke fanbase in history.
Yet you contribute….
This album may not be famous to people that arent fans of beyonce’s music but i know that it is a CLASSIC to me and the BEYHIVE 🙂
Bey Hive Baby ..duh
I love Bey, but 4 is her worst album to date. Despite having very good songs, when the songs were bad, they were REALLY bad. And it felt like she sounded tired in her voice. Don’t know why….
Again this???????????
Sam was just throwing shade to Mariah Carey yesterday, an artist Beyonce can only dream to be giving the fact Mariah entered the highest level so many years ago and Beyonce has never done… but he always makes these type of ridiculous stanning posts about Beyonce, Kelly Rowland, Michelle and Solange??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? LMAO f****** pretty please! hahahhaha
1+1 ———->>> CLASSIC
I Care ———->>> CLASSIC
I Miss You ———->>> CLASSIC
Best Thing I Never Had ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
Party ———->>> CLASSIC
Rather Die Young ———->>> CLASSIC
Start Over ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
SLAYAGE on Top ———->>> CLASSIC
Countdown ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
End of Time ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
I Was Here ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
Run the World (Girls) ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
Schoolin’ Life ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
Lay Up Under Me ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
SLAY for Your SLAYed Ass and Slay All of Your Faves Combined Just Tensing My Left Ass Cheek ———->>> CLASSICCCCCCC
Dreamin’ ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
Why wasn’t “I was here”, “I miss u” & “I care” released as singles?
For me, they were the classic on that album.
I did like “run the world” however I think it flopped because it really isolated the male buying public out of the equation.
In all truth, that very single’s theme probably killed a lot of buzz off the album for a number of men.
sAME HERE I WONDER Y?
I wouldn’t call “4” a classic but it is a great body of work. I don’t see how people could call it a flop. Maybe it didn’t measure the success of her previous albums but it still sold well in this current musical climate. These days, it’s hard for artists to go gold, let alone sell a million copies or better. I don’t think a classic necessarily has anything to do with sales anyway. It’s about the quality of the music and how it resonates with people. Nas’ and Jay-Z’s first albums are considered classics although they didn’t sell well.
1+1 ———->>> CLASSIC
I Care ———->>> CLASSIC
I Miss You ———->>> CLASSIC
Best Thing I Never Had ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
Party ———->>> CLASSIC
Rather Die Young ———->>> CLASSIC
Start Over ———->>> CLASSIC
SLAYAGE on Top ———->>> CLASSIC
Countdown ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
End of Time ———->>> CLASSIC
I Was Here ———->>> CLASSIC
Run the World (Girls) ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
Schoolin’ Life ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
Lay Up Under Me ———->>> NOT CLASSIC
BEY KNOWS BEST
HATEEEERSSSS KEEEP HATING ON US WE ARE SOOO BAD BEY 4 WAS CERTIFY PLATINUM AFTER ONLY 3 WEEKS RIHANNA TTT STILL BEGGING FOR PLATINUM AHHAHAHAHA 6 MOPNTHS LATER TTT S STILL ON GOLD WTF
You stans are in denial like a b****!! This woman is no longer popular with the public!! I swear, you guys are totally, totally lost, stupid, and blind when it comes to this woman!! I’m glad things come and go!
SHE NO LONGER POPULAR WITH THE PUBLIC…..YOU MUST BE ON THAT BOBBY AND WHIT
I am a big B fan but “4” is not a classic, Dangerously in Luv, was wayyyyyy better!
BOTH KERI HILSON ALBUMS SHHIT ON BEYONCES WHOLE CAREER FACT
Classic my ass. Beyonce is a HAS-BEEN! FLOP Album, Fake Pregnancy. What else? Lmao
WHY YOU SO MAD
What the f***? Are their any intelligent people left on this f****** planet? The only reason why Beyonce’s 4 album does not seem like a classic album to some idiots is because of a few reasons…for 1, SHE WAS PREGNANT! What person on this planet do you think that has the endurance and strength to do a quarter of what she did in her live performances and in her videos while being pregnant? Rihanna, Katy Perry, Chris Brown, Bieber…etc cant do that now. Being that she was a pregnant woman she also could not promote as much as she would have liked to (and still sold how much? Ok then). Not to mention, Beyonce is a true musician. she didnt conform to doing dance/pop music like EVERYONE else, so I guess some ppl had a pitty party bcuz of that. Your preferance is your preferance. Plus she is the only one out of the lozers that I named that has been writing most of all of her music and that has an ASCAP award, which is given to writers obviously for writing outstanding music. Beyonce is the truth, appreciate art for what it is and not the stupid politics surrounding it. You all are puppets and influenced by the most minut and balderdash situations. No intellect.
You’re apparently not one of those intelligent people. When the hell does being pregnant become an excuse for an album that isn’t qualified to be deemed a classic (whether promoted or not) become one because of poor planning on the artists part when it comes to their v*****? Keri Hilson won awards for her debut album, is that a classic? Since you “feel” your intellect is so superior to those with facts as to why 4 is no were near classic status, give us the dictionary definition (not your opinion) of a classic and see if 4 can be placed in that category..
PS: Writer???? LOL! You make yourself look even dumber than the people you try to discredit!!! Everyone who even knows what a Beyonce is KNOWS that h** pays to be credited as a songwriter..No intellect lol! STFU you bafoon.
where is your proof
@Richnblack11 Why don’t you do the obvious and read above post by “Enough Onika” to answer your question.
Classic Definition: A work of art of recognized and established value.
Beyonce’s 4 Album is a classic ask any real musician or singer. Ask people who study and know music if the 4 album is a classic. Just because you shake your ass to the latest by Chris Brown, Rihanna and 2 Chains doesn’t make you qualified to determine what is classic or not. You people’s minds are so conditioned you don’t even realize your all brainwashed.
@Entertain101 Step outside your delusional obsessed false God worshiping ass and honestly answer, Do you really THINK 4 is her most recognized and established value of work??? I don’t even know any other song on this album other than Run the World and Party, and the album’s been out how long now? No song off this album is a song you would use in getting someone to recognize her music. Period.
the above post doesn’t give me proof, try again plz
Well I can’t help that your a dumbs with poor comprehension skills so I guess your s*** out of luck…
dumbass*
I GUESS********* SO I HAVE TO BE A DUMBASS CAUSE YOU HAVE NO PROOF LOL
Ma’am I can’t do anything about your reading skills. I stated the “dictionary” definition of a classic several times and 4 clearly doesn’t fall in the category. Were 4 stands today as far as its relevancy says it all and your “opinion” of your false God’s 4th album won’t change that.
My GOD ……wow you must be on whit n Bobby , first off c*** you are stating an OPINION not a FACT, then ^ posted above you stated that you have only heard two song off 4 so how can you possibly say it’s not a Classics ?
WHY YOU SO BITTER? Be easy c***!!!!!!!!!!!!
I understand you have NO PROOF……..you have been dismissed. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
You try and dismiss and “call out” someone when they provide you your “facts,” yet you dont state any “facts” as to why you THINK 4 is (which we both know why you can’t)….The fact that many including myself who follow music…excuse me.. QUALITY music don’t know a 4 track from a cut off Paris Hilton’s debut album is exactly why it’s not a classic. You’re obviously sucking hard on Bey’s left n** and think whatever she puts out is “classic.” Like I said, the PUBLIC has proven it’s not, hence no major awards or recognition past her obsessed queen audience. #WheresYourFactsBitch?
beyonce classic her self tell them hater dat !!!! lmao ahahahahahaha
The first time I met Timmy Kelly was in 2007, backstage at the Grammys. He was only 13 and he touched my heart with his voice and his love of music and life. He’s now 18 and he’s graduated high school — I’m so proud of him! Timmy was born blind, and with cerebral palsey. But this never slowed him down — he has proven to everyone, that anything is possible if you believe in yourself and work hard. In Philadelphia, he’s known as the good luck charm to the Eagles and whenever he sings the national anthem before a game they always win. His strength and determination is an inspiration. Timmy was just accepted to Temple University’s Boyer College of Music and Dance. Congratulations Timmy!
Love, B”
for crackheads..sure its a classic
So I guess you loved it
Classic? *laughs* The album wasn’t going NO WHERE in the US until she announced she was pregnant so,,, I deff. wouldn’t say this is a “Classic” album….
1+1 she stole LYRICS from Sam Cook so…
you are a hater
HATERS WILL HATE..
as a whole, it just isn’t that memorble….and i like most of the songs on there but still…
I would have to say no. “Dangerously In Love” is and will always be considered a “classic” album from Beyonce, in my book.
in my opinion, it has some great songs on the album but she just didnt release them. i thought run the world, love on top, 1+1 and the others were poor single choices. She should have released ‘i was here’, ‘i miss you’ and ‘i care’ etc. So good songs but to sell 2million or 2.7 million, whatevere it is a FLOP in terms of beyonce! im sure she has quadrupled those sales on her other albums. Adele has sold alomost 4 million of her album in UK alone, that puts the album into perspective.
so no, the album ‘4’ will not be remembered but thats beyonces own faut for poor single selection choices
4 is my favourite album of Beyonce!! I am from Argentina and i dont speak english so well but i think that 4 is HER best album, because she mix a lot of cultures and rymths. Love on top is a Classic.
4 is a classic FOR ME. she did this album because she wanted to do a thing that everything made from her. without matthew and others.. and this is beyonce’s first real “art” album. there are no market songs in album. this album is full of beyonce from a to z. her love, thoughts, hate, criticism.
I love 4 so much and 4 is classic for me. my favorite bey album.
Yes…. It is more than CLASSIC 🙂
Always <3
A more important topic would be
WHY IS IT ALWAYS ABOUT B OR K ROWLAND OR TRASHING RIHANNA?
LMAO Obssessed much this website has gotten so bad I’m out of here
Girl, this is a gossip website. What do you expect?
4 is amazing and classic, its very unique album with unique sound, I think its her best-mature album yet
TGJ, WHY ARE YOU RECYCLING OLD, TIRED POST JUST FOR STUPID STAN WARS ABOUT BEYONCE?? GO FIND RELEVANT NEWS AND STOP THE BULLS*IT
If you have to ask……well? Um…. that says it all.
The Kamp is Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo thirsty for public accolade
They must be some seriously pitiful souls.
http://youtu.be/z2Oe3q-WCuQ
TGJ,are you for real? I’m a HUGE B fan,but no! Michael Jacksons Thriller is a classic,Madonnas Ray of light is a classis, Mariahs Butterfly is a classic. If peeople still listen to 4 in 10,15 or 20 years then IT WILL BE a classic,its too early.
4 isn’t a classic. I think a classic album should have a huge impact in the music history. 4 didn’t have this. It’s definitely her best album, it’s vocally a masterpiece, she really freed herself to explore a new world of beats. But general people weren’t into it.
Thriller, Bad, Bodyguard, Back To Black, The Dark Side Of The Moon, Music Box, Back To Black, 21, Nevermind, London Calling are classic albums. These will be remembered for decades to come.
Beyoncé’s classics are definitely her live performances.
I actually agree with you
Yes
NO!
Is she capable of making a ‘classic’ album like ‘The Miseducation…” or ‘Butterfly’ or ’21’? I’m not sure.
The songs on ‘4’ were good (except for that horrible first single), but everything she did on the album could be traced to other artists who did it better.
Next try, B.
womp.
PREACH
no
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HAPPY YEAR ‘4’ ¡¡¡¡ 🙂
I think the Beyonce 4 cd is a classic or it will become a classic, & Destiny fullfield is a classic as well, me & my boyfriend had this discussion a year ago, but he said Beyonce first cd is a classic, but i cnt see myself playing her first cd like i play Mary j BLige my life cd, until she came out with the 4 album.
i see lots of people saying that sales has to do with whether an album is classic or not which is not true. being able to withstand the test of time makes an album a classic. if in 2012 you are still jamming to dangerously in love, then its a classic. the only classic thing about dangerously in love is crazy in love. single ladies is a classic as well, but i wouldnt say the whole i am sasha fierce album was. thats the thing with beyonce. she has yet to release a classic album, but she does have a few classic singles. i havent played the album 4 since 2 weeks after its release. but on the other hand, i can listen to bday all day long. if any of her albums should be considered a classic, it should be bday in my opinion.
4 it’s a great. Album
It’s her only cohesive album. Most of her other albums have been scattered messes whereas ‘4’ flows really well from one song to the next.
I doubt you can label it a classic yet though, you could only really label it a classic in a few years if people still remember it & the tracks that go with it.
The only reason Beyonce said she wasn’t looking for #1 singles is because she knew after RTW leaked, that it was str8 to hell from there. Classic my ass, I can’t even listen to half the CD. RTW sucks, IWH is so… (LOT, EOT, Party are nice) I feel the same through all of her albums, whether its a sad song or up-tempo. Her albums evoke no emotion.
This was not a bad album but is was so flat. It seems now a days there are different standards for a classic album.
Marvin Gaye The Beatles Janet &Michael Jackson all had innovative albums. Their albums had socially conscious songs like What’s Going On, Rhythm Nation, State Of The World, Man In The Mirror, Give Peace A Chance. It was not just about Heartbreak and cheating men, it was about pain, love and all the in betweens. Thriller, St. Pepper, Diamond Life, Dirty Mind, Back to Black, Nevermind are still remembered. When those albums hit the scene it was instantly classic, there wasn’t a debate, it was just obvious.
Honestly, none of Beyonce’s albums are classics. Classic albums have songs that impact not just the music industry, but drastically affect Pop culture in general. Yeah, Beyonce has monster hits like Crazy in Love, Baby Boy, Irreplaceable, Beautiful Liar, Single Ladies, If I Were a Boy and Halo, but those songs are classics simply because of their success, not because of there merit of a song. The crazy thing about all of those songs is they weren’t even written for Beyonce. Halo was for Leona Lewis, If I Were a Boy for BC Jean, Single Ladies for Britney Spears, Irreplaceable was for MJB and Baby Boy was for Ashanti. Beyonce’s albums have really good songs like Yes, Signs, Speechless, Flaws and All, Get Me Bodied, Smash into You, I Miss You and 1+1 but they’re still not classics. If Beyonce really thought 4 was a classic, she would not have released songs like RTW, Countdown, Love on Top and Party as singles, songs which clearly have mainstream commercial appeal. She would’ve let this album stand on it’s own merit like Gaga did with BTW. The only 2 singles that were actually single material were Born This Way and The Edge of Glory and possibly Marry the Night. But Judas and You and I were horrible choices for singles, which is why they weren’t huge hits and Marry the Night, kinda flopped too. Gaga spoke so highly of BTW as a whole body of work and she realy let that album stand on its own which is why it sold 7 million copies with only 2 huge hits. Beyonce only really said “well I just to perform songs like this when I get older”. Beyonce is a really good artist, but she’s not a great artist nor a iconic artist yet. She still has a long way to go. Artists like Gaga and Adele seem to genuinely know music and what it’s about and how to make it. Beyonce, IMPO seems to to do it just because. She’s tries TOOOOOOOOOOOO hard to be an legend/icon, which is why the Grammys snubbed her.
yes. without any questioning Beyonce “4” is a classic album, if you think about the production she has given it that Live Band feeling, in a POP dominated Era Beyoncé has managed to keep it soulful with the styles of he 80’s and still remain on top, her icon status is untouchable everything she does is amazing. Beyonce could have given in and just done a normal pop album and thrown that out there but she took her time with this one, Beyonce “4” has the feeling of a Grown Woman. Sales wise it may not have been wise but Vocals, Production & its Longevity will be forever known, this album has a different feeling to all her recent work. Timeless classics from 1+1 to Countdown to I Care. this woman has worked for this CLASSIC ALBUM. it’s different compared to what other artists have done.
The different beats and the different Vocal ranges slay, and when people say it’s rubbish i would love for them to go and compete against Beyoncé vocally. over the same beats.
Beysus. is the 1.
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Good album, yes. Classic album, no. Beyonce has yet to record one. However if I was to give her a classic rating for an album it would be B’Day (altho I personally think most would say her debut). That to me is her Thriller in a sense. I do think personally to her it was classic tho bcuz of the things she expressed on it. U could tell it was from where she was in her life at that time.
I think 4 was her best album since the B’Day era, I Am Sasha Fierce wasn’t bad but 4 GOES HARD, i’m a not die-hard fan of Bey but she went back to SANGING on this album with tracks like 1+1, I Care, Dance for You, Rather Die Young and start Over i was impressed and I think Bey’s at the point where she’s been doing what people wanted for years and now she’s just doing her thing…but i think B’Day was like her perfect album in regards to dance records and etc i remember that time when B’Day dropped that summer all i heard was Beyonce in philly, but she’s grown musically and her lyrics have more sustenance now which i like i think the next album after 4 will probably blow everyone away, i still cant believe that Bey and Jill Scott didn’t win grammy awards when their projects were great…the grammy committee doesn’t aways salute good work though
Anyone who thinks it’s not a classic is delusional quite honestly. Anyone who thinks it’s “mediocre” simply has deplorable taste in music.
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