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Weigh In: Billboard Shake Up R&B Charts / Unveil New Sales Counting Methods

Published: Thursday 11th Oct 2012 by David

Ever eager to adapt to changes in the industry, Billboard have unveiled they are too- beginning this week- revamp many of their existing charts by altering the way the songs on these charts are tallied.

Find out how and why these charts- including that of R&B’s- have been changed below…

In what will come as phenomenal news for more influential acts like Rihanna and Beyonce, the R&B/Hip Hop songs chart will now see streaming data added to digital download sales, to determine exactly which songs chart where week by week.

The company explains:

“Each receive a major consumer-influenced face-lift, as digital download sales (tracked by Nielsen SoundScan) and streaming data (tracked by Nielsen BDS from such services as Spotify, Muve, Slacker, Rhapsody, Rdio and Xbox Music, among others) will now be factored into the 50-position rankings, along with existing radio airplay data monitored by Nielsen BDS.

The makeovers will enable these charts to match the methodology applied to Billboard’s signature all-genre songs ranking, the Billboard Hot 100.”

So what does this mean for your favorite performer?

Well, in what comes as great news for Pop acts who are billed as R&B stars, they now have an even greater advantage over entertainers without the benefit of heavy radio rotation and the support of the ‘casual listener’.

Billboard also reveals:

“In addition, Billboard is launching a new chart, R&B Songs, which will incorporate the same airplay/sales/streaming hybrid formula to rank the week’s top R&B-only (non-rap) titles.

R&B Songs and Rap Songs will serve as 25-position distillations of the overall Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, highlighting the differences between pure R&B and rap titles in the overall, wide-ranging R&B/hip-hop field.”

Here’s hoping this ‘shake up’ encourages both R&B acts and their labels to ‘step their promo game up’ and look further than the comfort of urban outlets.

For, if they don’t, the R&B tally will be nothing more than a stomping ground for Pop stars with R&B leanings, and not R&B entertainers themselves.

So, are you in favor of these changes?

Weigh in below!


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  1. Alex October 11, 2012

    This just cements why commercial success is a joke.

    • Mr. B! October 11, 2012

      Exactly!!

  2. Spunkypoop October 11, 2012

    A TOTAL MESS! This is totally unfair to real R&B/Hip-Hop artists. I think whoever at Billboard is making this changes should step down.

    • A October 11, 2012

      really unfair.

      Charts should be about sales, not about pop music charting on R&b charts. That is a sad joke.

      Its nice to have Airplay charts, both for r&b and the rest genres.

      But where is the Sales alone chart? like Billboard 200?

      I want a R&b sales chart.

      And Rihanna isnt r&b, stupid billboard crew

      • mobwife: blowin’ money fast October 11, 2012

        It should only be about sells as those who control the idustry dictate that figure as well! Once agian Black R&B arists will continue to suffer. I fully expect the next Billboard R&B Award to go to Adele! What and be prepared to weep!

  3. Viciousss October 11, 2012

    So much extra b******* to make up for low album/single sales.

    • FAF October 11, 2012

      EXACTLY! LET THEM DO IT THE REAL WAY SO THEY CAN BE PROUD OF THEIR SUCCESS! THIS WILL ONLY HANDICAP R&B ARTISTS!!!!!!!!

  4. LouLou October 11, 2012

    Wow! If r&b wasn’t dying before, this will really kill it. Why is Rihanna marked r&b? Beyonce half the time isn’t r&b either. Good luck Brandy, Keyshia Cole, Monica, Ciara. Billboard is blocking you from charting high ever again.

    • That B*tch (I can’t with these delusional stans) October 11, 2012

      Beyonce may not be RnB all the time per se but her music still sounds very urban and it always has.

      • Chakra October 11, 2012

        Urban =/= R&B.

  5. sisa sly October 11, 2012

    no actually, its just another way for pop acts to get on the RnB and hip hop charts,

  6. Spunkypoop October 11, 2012

    R&B is now BURIED! R.I.P. R&B/Hip-Hop ((This is what they wanted to do forever)) and it’s finally happening.

  7. RoyalKev October 11, 2012

    I have no words for this foolery! I see nothing but trouble ahead folks, some artists are really getting the short end of the stick! I personally think this is a strategy used to throw a heap of artists into a bunch of other charts (R&B, Dance, etc) that they don’t want on the Hot 100!

    http://www.thepagewithroyalkev.com

    • mobwife: blowin’ money fast October 11, 2012

      “FUCKERY”

      *Amy Winehouse voice* 🙂

  8. LouLou October 11, 2012

    Furthermore, I am upset this had to happen right during Brandy’s comeback. She was so close to being number one just in time for her album release. Why did they decide to change the chart now? Why not wait till next year to launch it? Real r&b and soul acts should not have to go up against mega pop acts such as Rihanna. I have nothing against her, but diamonds is not r&b!

  9. YOLO October 11, 2012

    Anything to Keep RNB Music and the BLACK Artists from havong their OWN SUCCESS. ThE RNB/ hip hop chart was the chart for the REAL RNB SINGERS of TODay to have their SHINE! Brandy was PROBAABLY ABOUT TO HIT NUMBER ONE!! They’re JUST TRYING TO KEEP RNB MUSIC FROM COMJNG BACK! CHECK THE HOT100 TOP TEN EVERY ARTIST IS A WHITE POP ARTIST, THERE IS NO RNB SONG IN THE TOP 10! As long as you love me features big sean and that is the ONLY SONG with a BLACK artist on it and that is because JUSTIN BIEBER IS THE LEAD ARTIST!!

    • FAF October 11, 2012

      I AGREE 100%!!!!!

      CIARA HAD A #1 WITH PROMISE!!! I WAS READY FOR “SORRY” “TO BRING IT BACK!!!

    • mobwife: blowin’ money fast October 11, 2012

      PREACH!! 🙂

  10. NaRivy October 11, 2012

    Congrats Billboard for f*cking everything up.

  11. KB3 October 11, 2012

    Wow Brandy Was just robbed of A potential number 1 song Last week 3 on R&B/hip with A bullet this week #17 sucks..on this new chart (no one will care about) #7
    and this new chart will get overlooked having A number 1 on R&B chart is not the same
    this is f***** up

  12. That B*tch (I can’t with these delusional stans) October 11, 2012

    WTF is this? So are you saying that POP acts will have the advantage of charting higher on an RnB chart without releasing an RnB song? This is ridiculous? These people wont even let RnB singers win on their own charts. LEAVE POP ACTS ON THE POP CHARTS.
    This is really unfair to people like Keshia Cole, Melanie Fiona, Brandy, etc.

  13. YOLO October 11, 2012

    I Guess we can OFFICIALLY tell RNB MUSIC RIP THANKS TO F****** DUMB ASSES WHO DON GIVE A F*** ABOUT RNB NAMED BILLBOARD!!

    • mobwife: blowin’ money fast October 11, 2012

      We, the music lover must to protest. We said nothing when Billboard changed the entire scope of R&B music and changed the genre cateory from R&B/SOUL to R&B/HIP HOP which are clearly two different types of music. However, they managed to maintain the Rap category!! 0_o Go figure?

  14. Jer October 11, 2012

    I don’t care, maybe if some of yal copped a $1.29 download of your fave evry now amd then it wouldn’t be a problem. I know it takes a BIG SPENDER for black folk to buy that $11 CD so yal hoodrats couldn’t possibly sped a dollar to buy a single GURL BYE. The gorls are really gonna be duking it out now. Now there’s no excuse why the divas can’t get an R&B hit. The change is long overdue. Of BeYAWNce shot to #1 yal would hoot and holler it was the greatest decision of all time. Sit your niggro asses down somewhereS and have all the seats

    • YOLO October 11, 2012

      SHUT THE F*** UP YOU DUMB ASS!!

      • Jer October 11, 2012

        #pressed

    • YOLO October 11, 2012

      DUMB ASS H**!! HEHE

      • Jer October 11, 2012

        #pressedTheReUp

    • Lax October 11, 2012

      @JER,,,ROTL,,,LMAOso true if Beyonce come out
      on top nothing else ever matters to these “NIGILLETTS.

  15. ZANIA October 11, 2012

    Can someone explained to me why CB Don’t wake me up isn’t on the R & B chart, and it is actually higher than Alicia Keys song on Itunes chart. On itunes they have that song listed as R & B.

    • mobwife: blowin’ money fast October 11, 2012

      @Zania It’s called on “GET MAD DAY” we control where an artist will be placed and dictate how much airplay, and over all attention that artist and his or her music will receive. We control the flow of informantion so on “GET MAD DAY” we issue horrible statements that will effect sells and airplay and on “YOU’RE A MEDIA DARLIN’ DAY” we issue WONDERFUL, FLOWERY PLATITUDES about her perfect you are!! 🙂

      In other words, this sh** is RIGGED so don’t bother trying to figure out their scheme ‘coz’ it might drive you crazy!
      🙂

  16. A October 11, 2012

    something tells me Rihanna’s label had something to do with this change.

    well, maybe not only her label, but a few other big names too.

    Rihanna nominated for R&b act at AMA’s, now this too?

    ok, there must be some money behind all of this.

    Mary J Blige
    Melanie Fiona
    Keyshia cole
    Brandy
    Ciara
    Elle

    all these r&b females doing music this year, and Rihanna gets a nom instead of them. with no r&b music, what a slap to the R&b industry

    • TeamBreezy October 11, 2012

      Rihanna has been nominated in that same AMA category since 2007…nothing new, just fact

      • Lax October 11, 2012

        @TeamBreezy true and just know that they can’t hold
        chris and rih down always, watch.

  17. wrong October 11, 2012

    They just messed everybody up. So rhi shot to #1? I thought Brandy would have had it.

    • Jer October 11, 2012

      Maybe if yal Brandy fans shelled out the dough and came off some pennies to buy a damn single. LORD KNOWS yal don’t buy albums so what the hell yal doin

      • KB3 October 11, 2012

        It’s not about the sales!

      • Jer October 11, 2012

        Uh huh. Yer right. It’s never about what your fave isn’t doing well. Yer right.

    • mobwife: blowin’ money fast October 11, 2012

      I agree with you! The problem is that when THE POWERS THAT BE classify artists as both Pop & R&B like Rihanna or Beyonce (it also happens in Country see the dual classification of Taylor Swift as Pop & Country) those acts that are specifically classified in one genre such as R&B or Country cannot compete as they do not have the WIDE MEDIA SUPPORT (i.e heard by both Pop & R&B listeners, seen on mainstream magazine covers/articles etc).

    • Lax October 11, 2012

      Well Beyonce has had a whole year and how many did she get to the top?

      • oh baby (b****** will Deal) October 11, 2012

        Umm….that’ll be four (4) number ones that you. @lax

      • oh baby (b****** will Deal) October 11, 2012

        Thank you*

      • JER October 12, 2012

        What #1’s? BeYAWNce’s only #1 R&B song recently is “Love on Top”

  18. Spunkypoop October 11, 2012

    I knew something was fishy when I saw Chris Brown “Don’t Wake Me Up” sitting on top of the R&B Itunes charts. That song is clearly POP/Dance. WTF!?

    • mobwife: blowin’ money fast October 11, 2012

      Funny you pull out a Chris Brown track to use as an example! *side-eye* Chris Brown is and has always been classified as a R&B artist. He has made some cuts that can be played on Pop stations but the majority of his music is more contemporary R&B leaning!

      ……Although you are correct, 🙂 I think DWMU is more of a Dance/Pop record too. I don’t know how artists are classified and what about those who do produce music that cross multiple genres? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • Chakra October 11, 2012

        What? Chris has ALWAYS been a Pop artist, through and through, with SLIGHT “R&B” (note the quotations) influences. ALWAYS.

      • Lax October 11, 2012

        Chris is R&B dam they hates on Chris , dam.

  19. Spunkypoop October 11, 2012

    WHAT IS R&B? WHAT IS DANCE? WHAT IS POP? Anybody know? HOW IS PSY – GNAMAMN STYLE #1 RAP SONG!!

    • Lax October 11, 2012

      Nobody question when Beyonce has been in three different areas on one award shw she has been pop, r&b and contemporary, so shut the hell up.

  20. Diamond October 11, 2012

    It’s kind of racist if you think about it.

    • Lax October 11, 2012

      The people who makes the rules can bind them anyway they want REMEMBER Billboard creating that “Milluninum Award”
      for Beyonce? All we heard was cheers to the stars with excitement, .

  21. Tee October 11, 2012

    People forget Billboard, just watch BET

  22. mobwife: blowin’ money fast October 11, 2012

    “It all seem GREEK to me” as the old saying goes!

    LOOK HERE, Why The F*** is there a R&B/Hip Hop category to begin with? There use to be a R&B/Soul genre which is more approrpriate! There should be a Rap/Hip Hop combination. This would makes more sense! I fear that THE POWERS THAT BE who own EVERYTHING & CONTROL/RULE WITH AN IRON FIST, may have finally gotten what they long desire…..the DEATH of R&B Music!

    I always find it interesting to read the comments of ppl who appear to be CLUELESS! Those who OWN THE CHARTS make the decision concerning artist chart placement…. PERIOD! Folks complain about ARTISTS HAVING TO ADAPT TO THE ONLY SYSTEM AVAILABLE TO THEM as if the artists truly have a control over these venues/metods/means. Stop bitching about artsists making HYBRID-MUSIC when it appears to be the only way they can receive radio play these days! ijs

    • Lax October 11, 2012

      @MOBWIFE,,,Well we have also had those who was going to change the music and bring out a new generes Usher, and bey i know their might be others.

      • im not here October 11, 2012

        SHUT THE F*** UP F***** I HATE YOU B****

  23. real October 11, 2012

    Many people arent happy about this, we should complain to billboard to reserve the rnb/hiphop chart the way it was!!!

  24. georgia23 October 11, 2012

    We’re saying it’s unfair but our charts are dying because WE’RE NOT SUPPORTING OUR ARTISTS!!! The only way for a real R&B/Hip-Hop artist to move any major units is by making music that appeals to the audiences that ARE buying records. Then in turn, we call them sell-outs. There’s more than one side to every story and unfortunately, black audiences aren’t forgiving and in general (not everybody) aren’t supportive. We tend to forget that artists are people too and at the end of the day the music industry is a BUSINESS. It’s all about who’s bringing in the big audiences and the big dollars. That’s why it’s so hard for new R&B/Hip Hop artists to break because majors aren’t willing to fund an artist who makes “our” brand of music (whatever that is) because there’s a LARGE presumption that we won’t support. We like to down our artists and then we get mad when they walk away and find another medium who are loyal fans. The up-side to this is that now unsigned artists have more of a chance to chart on these mediums. AND it’ll probably bring them more traffic. I’m not sure about anybody else but RADIO IS DYING. Yes I’m in my car almost every-day and I do listen to the radio, but can I get a show of hands of how many people actually call in requests? EXACTLY. When I’m at home, I’m on youtube listening to music if I haven’t downloaded it (legally). Think about it… if you listen to YouTube, Pandora, Spotify and all these other online streaming stations and you’re listening to current singles, this stuff will be counted. If you REALLY think about it, it’s kinda like they’re grading on a curb. Because Pop/Rock/Gospel/Alternative/Jazz artists will still have to sell numbers to make their chart gains but the R&B/Hip-Hop will be able to rely on digital sales and streaming. Besides, this is probably the way it’s all going to be in 10 years because digital sales are increasing faster than physical sales. It’s not fair, but if we would support our artists the way other genres support, this would never have happened. *Puts hands up and backs away* I’M JUST SAYING.

    • Um OK October 11, 2012

      Excellent point. You’re too intelligent for tgj readers lol

    • Lax October 11, 2012

      @GEORGIA,,,And many have been fighting tooth and nails saying that r&b is dah, dah and music on a whole is here and there i still can’t understand how Even though shes great but how did ADELE do so well when we have got
      countless soul sisters who can sing their butts all the way off.
      And Susan Boyles did very well with r&b songs also, there
      are many who talk that talk and don’t support the artist at all or rather not like they should they only want certain people to succeed and to hell with all the rest..
      PS
      I ENJOYED YOUR COMMENT…IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE.

  25. bibi93 October 11, 2012

    Good Nicki!!

  26. Casual October 11, 2012

    The problem with this change is that Billboard can’t differentiate r&b downloads from pop downloads for the same song. This gives pop songs that make it to the r&b charts a huge advantage. Diamonds is the perfect example of this, ranking #1 on the r&b chart despite getting very little r&b airplay.

    I’m glad sales are being re-added, but it should be done on a proportional basis. For example, if a song gets 20% of it’s total airplay at r&b radio, only 20% of download sales should be credited on the r&b singles chart.

    • Lax October 11, 2012

      Perhaps if they count up what they already have there might be others who has did more then we all know about. Oh
      Go Rihanna.

  27. King. October 11, 2012

    I don’t like this at all. It’s really unfair to underrated artists. But I will say that I like the fact that they’re giving R&B its own separate chart.

    • Lax October 11, 2012

      Hmmmmm many artist has been Underrated and other artists got their awards in their statch.

  28. theman October 11, 2012

    Well digital single sales are doing well, and that’s only because they are cheap. The physical album sales are still the main album format, which is great. It’s the best version of an album.

  29. theman October 11, 2012

    This is terrible, they should have included sales of an r&b song on the chart, and may’be if a pop leaning r&b song charted on the r&b charts they should have taken a percentile of it. For them to make it about sales is completely wrong. The R&b/Hiphop charts should be about those charts alone.

  30. KingBey October 11, 2012

    I knew something was f***** up when brandy and beyonce fell out of the top ten, and Rihanna went to number one.

  31. MC October 11, 2012

    This is b*******! So un-f****** fair to the real R&B artists.

  32. B2B October 11, 2012

    WTF! Why couldn’t they wait until 2013 to start this? Just so happenly they change this when Rihanna is getting her ass slayed on the BB100 & Pop Charts! And TBQFH Diamonds is not even R&B! Rihanna is not even an R&B artist! When was the last time she released an R&B song by herself?

    They say racism is gone, but it’s clearly not! Rihanna is labled as an R&B artist just because she is considered black! She makes the same type of music as Katy Perry, but do you see Katy on the R&B charts? Rihanna is nominated for R&B awards because she is considered black!

    I am a Beyonce fan, and I will be the first to say that all of Beyonce’s music isn’t R&B, but on EVERY one of her albums there are a lot of R&B songs. Dangerously in Love & B’day were R&B album. IASF was Bey’s album that reflected many different genres of music ranging from Pop to R&B to soft Rock. 4 was a R&B album with influences ranging from soul to contemporary pop to funk & dance hall. People say that Beyonce isn’t R&B, but out of all the crossover acts (Usher, CB, Neyo, Nicki M., Rihanna) who has been able to maintain and balance the way Beyonce has & still sell albums while staying true to the genre?

    And I also find it very hipper-critical how the navi and other stan bases bash Nicki for doing pop, yet they are okay with Rihanna being considered R&B even though she never releases R&B music.

  33. xedos October 11, 2012

    They have to change with the times. the RNB chart was just base on radio play , not sales or streaming. lot of ppl don’t listen to radio . what this does it takes away some of the power from radio and give it to the fans. Fans can influence the chart. we complain how were hare the same song 10 times a day on the radio well now you can influence the chart by stream or watching youtube. if you’re going to measure how popular a song is you have to take every medium is consideration.

  34. Emptytvr October 11, 2012

    I knew something was really f***** up when I saw Rihanna and Frank Ocean in the R&B top 10 with their very non R&B songs. Now what’s going to happen is that a bunch of outsiders (Rihanna, Frank…then probably Adele…and Justin Bieber, Gaga, Katy should they come out with some water down, fake, quasi-urban influenced music) are going to find their way onto the R&B charts — despite the fact that none of them make music that is primarily targeted toward R&B music fans. Black radio doesn’t play “Diamonds.” What the hell…

    This is some b*******. The charts should be manned by primarily radio play and then sales. Streaming is some b*******. Who the hell cares about what people listen to online? Spotify, YouTube and VEVO aren’t radio stations.

    They need to change this back to the way it was A.S.A.P.

  35. MUSICHEAD October 11, 2012

    Billboard really missed the mark with this R&B/Hip-Hop chart change. I agree that there was a need for a separate R&B chart but the methodology for determining a R&B song has to be adjusted. First of all, each song should be classified into a genre based on it’s own merit and not based on the fact that the artist is black or they have had R&B songs in the past. No offense to Rihanna but Diamonds is a pure POP song and is in no way an urban or R&B song. The best way to make the distinction is to only allow songs onto the R&B chart once it has cracked the top 75 Urban airplay charts. Airplay would determine 50% of it’s chart points and sales would determine the other 50%. Under that criteria, Diamonds wouldn’t even appear on this chart (despite it’s popularity with Pop audiences) until it has gained an urban audience at radio.

  36. CzarM October 11, 2012

    The problem here is that the way that the Hot 100 is tallied is f***** up. iTunes sales and online streaming shouldn’t dominate the way any chart looks. Hits are on the radio, not home computers. So all the charts should follow what’s being played on the radio, not what being streamed and even bought by bored but rabid fan bases who have nothing better to do than to sit on their hands and wait for a f****** One Direction song to be released.

    The Hot 100 needs to go back to the way it tallied itself pre-2007; Billboard shouldn’t be using it as a template for others. I really hope they get a big backlash from this that forces them to drop this new counting method.

  37. kythaman2u October 11, 2012

    So this basically means R&B is about to be redefined. Whereas before Usher’s “Scream” and Neyo’s “Let Me Love You” would be pretty much exiled from the R&B charts, because they didn’t receive any R&B radio play, now we’re going to see them place. Songs that are anything but R&B (like Diamonds) are suddenly going to have a presence on the chart, based on sales & streaming. It’s like opening up your backdoor and allowing all the stray dogs, cats, squirrels, raccoons, mice, insects, flies, etc., etc. into your house…simply because they’re there and able to come in. Why even bother to have separate genre charts if this is the direction Billboard is going in?

    This messed up, y’all.

  38. YOLO October 11, 2012

    They didn’t want Brandy to go number one!!They robbed her of a NUMBER ONE SONG JUST LIKE SHE WAS ROBBED ON DANCING WITH THE STARS! Why couldn’t they set a date when they were going to do this, why SO SUDDEN?? SOMETHINNG IS FISHY!!!

  39. Mark79 October 11, 2012

    How can the directors at Billboard not see how skewed this all is, and how skewed it’s going to make the charts. Already the way that the Hot 100 is tallied up is wrong. Streaming should have no place in the way things are counted, and iTunes sales need to be tempered. To impose this already flawed system onto the other charts is lunacy. Rihanna’s “Diamonds” is #1 on the R&B charts? Is this some kind of (bad) joke? I listen to R&B/Hip Hop radio primarily and I haven’t heard that song played once. Why? Because it isn’t urban. Screw Billboard, MediaBase just became the industry’s most reputable chart source.

  40. mc the place to be!! October 11, 2012

    Well black ppl if we actually go out and buy ppl records then we wouldn’t be having this problem we get mad at other artist like Adele and Amy for selling so much let’s just say Elle varner she cane out with an album not to long ago and she didn’t sell a thing!!! But we are going crazy over her saying she’s great and everything but y’all are not supporting her the right way. All I’m saying is there’s no one to blame for this downfall but ourselves y’all really don’t understand how much we control that industry

  41. DMWN October 12, 2012

    First of all, this change isn’t just affecting the R&B charts. It’s also affecting the Country and Latin charts as well. Second of all, I’m tired of hearing people dismiss black people as being unwilling to support artists and buy music, as justification for why R&B is struggling and black acts selling out to Pop. In the 90s, when acts like BBD, Jodeci, Mary J. Bluge, Aaliyah, Brandy, Monica, Biggie, Pac, 112, Dru Hill, Ginuwine, etc., etc. were all going multi-platinum, who do you think were the main people driving the sales of their music? Whites? I don’t think so. To say that Black people don’t buy music is short sighted and prejudiced.

    The fact of the matter is that in order for artists to sell millions, record labels and radio station programmers have to be willing to PROMOTE them on a MASS LEVEL to spread the word. Exposure leads to high sales, not stan loyalty.

    R&B artists aren’t given decent promotion budget and airplay NOT because black people don’t buy music, but because the suits have decided that they’ll make more money if they spend all of their resources promoting white pop acts instead. They’re not giving black artists and black audiences a chance to even compete on the same playing field. And they’re basically doing the same thing to hard rock acts too. When was the last time a hard rock/heavy metal act had a top 20 hit. I’m not talking about those quirky, nerdy, alternative, emo-pop/rock acts like Gotye and Owl City…but unsmiling, alpha rock acts that go hard and actually THRASH? Record labels are playing favorites with dance/pop, electropop, bubble gum pop, alternative pop and country-pop acts. Basically, if you’re not in some way “pop”-sounding, then you’re f*****.

    Third of all, where are these white people who are supposedly buying albums? Album sales are down across the board. The average pop and rock artists album sales are peaking at 800k to 1.7 million…which means that white people aren’t really buying albums either. What they do is buy singles. And why do they buy these singles? Because, again, the labels are showering the songs with 5x more promotion than they do black songs released by black artists. If the biggest mainstream stations in the country are playing a song every hour or the hour, chances are that song will zoom into the top 20 in single sales, based on its exposure. If the station Ryan Seacreast works for was playing “Put It Down” every hour, Brandy would be in the top 10 on the Hot 100 right now. But they’re not. And it ain’t because of sales. If a song, artist or genre of music is being snubbed at a corporate level, then fans can’t really do s*** to prevent them from flopping.

    Why do fans of Brandy, Monica, Keyshia Cole, etc. have to go out of their way to keep up with their happenings, while fans of Katy Perry and Taylor Swift are given constant reminders by their machines? I hate Katy Perry and Taylor Swift, and try to go out of my way to NOT hear them…and yet I still do…but I have to try and search for that new Brandy song? F*** outta here.

    Don’t sit up there and tell me that I don’t buy music. My iPod and CD collection begs to differ. The playing field is not even.

  42. Sabian October 12, 2012

    Complete asinine that YouTube video views would play a part in dictating charts. Anybody can click on a video. Why should that mean anything?

    • Wside5678 October 12, 2012

      Next thing you know the number of Twitter followers will factor into RIAA certifications. The Internet is ruining entertainment.

  43. mc the place to be!! October 12, 2012

    well it depends on what ppl want to hear many ppl may not like brandy put it down some ppl may just not be feeling r&b like me i love early 00s and past R&B today its just wack and now all they sing about is s** or girls asses so you cant get mad at what ppl wanna hear and another thing R&B just aint a black thing whites asians and hispanics listen to it and hey maybe more black ppl should widen there audiences by idk sing country or dance-pop or rock and then more ppl other than white ppl can attract someone but no we all want to be in out comfort zone and do R&B im not saying abandon it but you can still have that R&B essence and make something totally new out of it in different genres which is why R&B was loved in the 90s ppl were creative as hell nowadays everything sounds the same and that chart situation is okay to me because alot of rap gets in that chart and an R&b song dont get any love and if a white person or an hispanic person makes a song that what idk R&B whats wrong with them charting there?? come on black ppl lets not be racist

    • Wside5678 October 12, 2012

      No one said that only black artists should qualify to place on the R&B charts. The history of R&B has seen a lot of non-black acts (Jon B., Robin Thicke, Teena Marie, Hall & Oats, etc., etc.) get embraced by R&B radio and thus chart there. The problem here is that this new system opens the floodgates to songs that are not R&B, or are quasi-R&B, charting based on general sales and streams. This week we already seeing that happening with RIhanna. That song has no business even being on the R&B charts, period…let alone #1.

      If you’re a real soul/R&B act who appeals to R&B fans, and gets substantial play on R&B stations, then I don’t care if you’re not white. But if you’re Justin Bieber, who primarily targets & appeals to white/pop music fans, then I don’t think you should be on the R&B charts with a pop song that has water down “urban” attributes. And that’s exactly what’s going to happen. R&B charts are for R&B music. Not for pretenders and artists who call themselves wanting to dabble in it, despite having next to no appeal with R&B fans.

      • mc the place to be!! October 12, 2012

        Okay almost if youre saying that then ppl like Beyonce Rihanna ciara shouldn’t be on that chart because they all had songs that had no business being on the r&b chart they have that pop sound to it hell Mariah Carey especially during her early days was considered pop until ppl started to realize she’s black xtina sings r&b also I don’t think these ppl are pretenders they’re just not black pppl have a hard time accepting white rappers and Latino rappers onto the scene because its African american territory but don’t u realize that black ppl created all these genres especially rock the whites just grasped more and created something great out of it while we just stuck to soul and gospel music ain’t about color if its good its good don’t matter how big or small black or white that’s what made the 90s so great everyone had that same success whether its country or rap you can still be successful nowadays if it ain’t dance or an indie type song you might as well keep your day job

  44. lola October 12, 2012

    I’m surprised to see some intelligent and truthful comments in this post. A good point was made…. This change occurred when “Diamonds” didn’t land in the Top 10 of the Billboard charts and started to decline. Rihanna is not f****** R&B. She is a POP artist who sometimes releases R&B songs. “Diamonds” is pop, “Where Have You Been” is electro-house/pop, “Talk That Talk” is R&B/Pop, “Cake” is R&B, “We Found Love” is dance/pop, “You Are Da One” is pop…. C’mon now! She’s a pop artist and she is faking her way to the top.
    I am sick and tired of untalented, manufactured, overly sexed “singers” such as Rihanna, Ke$ha, and Katy Perry. Even pop acts like Maroon 5, PINK, and One Direction are getting on my nerves. Pop is in right now if no one has noticed. Adele got lucky, but it is because she is white and was hyped up by the media. I have not seen a real ROCK song, such as Heavy Metal, Grunge, and Alternative chart high on the Billboard 100 in years or even a real COUNTRY song. Can someone tell me when was the last time a real R&B song went to number 1 on the Billboard Hot 100?
    Also, speaking of Rihanna, earlier this year she bragged about how she, Katy, and Beyonce rule the charts/music industry. I mean… has anyone else ever wondered why only a select few of the artists signed make it? How come only Rihanna, Katy, Ke$ha, Taylor Swift, at times Beyonce, Adele, Lady Gaga and Britney are constantly in the media and “succeeding?” The music industry is f***** up and has been for decades. I agree with those who said that the only reason why R&B is dying is because these labels don’t promote the real R&B and Soul artists! It’s unfair. In order to succeed you have release pop songs.

  45. alley October 12, 2012

    The Billboard rule DESTROYED Country Music today as well- and handed it to Poptart Taylor swift who is about as Country as Snoop Dog. I am sick and disgusted by these rules. Taylor Swift and Billboard Killed Music today.,She hers robbed Carrie Underwood– a true country artist- of her much deserved number 1 for her Blown Away song, as Taylor’s bubble gum pop trash had more Pop Airplay and sales, so she bumped Carrie and others down chart. I am livid over th

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