Top 5…Reasons Why Rihanna Is The “Mariah Carey” of Her Generation

Published: Monday 10th Aug 2015 by Rashad
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Fact:  Love her or hate her, Rihanna is the pop star to reckon with in 2015.

Despite her latest, yet-titled project being greeted with a few slumps, bumps, and hiccups, there is no amount of failure (at this point) that can undermine the historic amassment of accolades that line her resume from chart triumphs, digital download domination, and more.

While, in a number of ways, her contemporaries pose no equal, historically there is only one other person whose career narrative vies successful comparison – Mariah Carey.

Check in below for this week’s Top 5 as we count down the reasons why Rihanna is unquestionably this generation’s ‘Mariah Carey.’

Note:  this article’s intent is not to praise nor compare talent, impact, or influence, but more so to connect what seems to be overlooked parallels between two of the most successful female artists in music history – Mariah Carey and Rihanna.

1.  They both were originally “designed” as clones of the ‘it’ girl of the moment.

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It’s no secret that Sony executive Tommy Mottola was looking for a “Whitney Houston” when he discovered powerhouse vocalist Mariah Carey.  From power ballads and gospel inspired throaty melisma and crescendoes, the New York born diva – along with her meteoric rise to success – reeked of ‘copy cat’ upon her debut (a claim she was peddled with in her early days).

Even Houston chimed in on the comparisons more than once:

Similarly, fans of Beyonce cried foul when Rihanna began sexualizing her videos and stage performances (most noted with her 2006 release ‘S.O.S.’).  Even calling on the help of Bey’s lead male backup dancer at the time, members of the #Hive were quick to thumbs down the up-and-coming diva, and her mentor Jay Z, for seemingly jacking aspects of the ‘Crazy In Love’ singer’s style.

A feat made all the more alarming as Ri, in the early days, was more than vocal about Bey’s direct influence on her decision to pursue to the music industry.

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But, time would quickly quell those claims as the two would go on to later establish their own identities and become forces of their own.

2.  They both lack(ed) stage presence.

Interestingly, in being clones of Whitney Houston and Beyonce – two of the most celebrated female performers of all time – Ri & Mimi both lacked the stage ‘x Factor’ that brought the two “originators” to the heights of fame and notoriety.

Carey, while having an undeniable voice that almost stopped time, rendered a slew of forgettable (and often regrettable) performances in her early days for an inability to “own the total stage.”

Rihanna, on the other hand, lacked the voice, choreography, and charisma all together.

3.  Their respective domination(s) of Billboard’s Hot 100 is unmatched

With an untouched 18 #1 hits to her name, Mariah Carey is the undisputed queen of the Billboard Hot 100.  If anyone stands to even touch that record it would be Rihanna who, as of time reporting, is sitting pretty with 13 chart-toppers to her credit.

 

4.  They both released an unforgivable amount of music in a very short period of time.

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Mariah Carey holds the record for “the only artist to have a #1 hit in every year of a decade” (1990-1999). While no one should ever attempt to downplay this feat, it has to be noted that it’s due in part to the fact she released 8 albums in that ten year span (7 studio, 1 greatest hits, 1 live album).

Like Carey, Rihanna’s onslaught of the Hot 100 charts can be attributed to a copious amount of music released in a short period of time.  In fact, she released 7 albums over 7 years with 2012’s ‘Unapologetic’ being her last release.

Like Mariah, it took Ri 10 years to take at least a 3 year break between studio albums.

 

5.  They – in a number of ways (courtesy of #4) – have surpassed the ‘it girls’ they were designed to compete with.

Their influence and impact may pale in comparison to varying degrees, but as our friend Lil’ Wayne would say, ‘them numbers don’t lie.’

In their respective primes, their willingness to stick to a tested-and-tried Urban pop formula helped them out-chart and – in some cases – outsell the very act they were “designed to clone.”

In addition to making a career of successfully straddling the fine line between pop and R&B, interestingly, Rihanna nor Mariah Carey were ever labeled “sell-outs.”  Unlike Beyonce and Whitney, Ri and Mimi were able to cruise through pop, R&B, and hip-hop waters with little to none of the criticism afforded their counterparts.

In fact, it was said versatility – if you ask us – that allowed them to surpass Houston and Knowles on the Hot 100, quickly leaving both in the rear view.

Honorable mention

 

6.  They were hand-picked by powerful label heads who may have used questionable means (*cough cough* payola *cough cough*) to ensure their successes.

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Whitney and Beyonce both had dominant male figures who propelled their careers to the stratosphere (Clive Davis & Matthew Knowles), but Ri and Mimi were (are) both flagship acts of their respective labels due in great part to their relationships with the boss.  While rumors swirled of Ri and Jay’s romantic involvement, Mottola made no secret of his relationship with Carey as the two were briefly married.

The Carey/Mottola union often sparked rumors of favortism and illegal practices to ensure her success (see:  payola, discounted singles, etc).  Similarly, Roc Nation has been accused on multiple occasions of striking deals with radio stations to ensure a certain amount of plays for Ri’s releases.


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  1. Rihyeezy August 10, 2015

    ????

    • Carey Like Mariah August 10, 2015

      Rashad… Now you must have lost your mind. Idk if you wanted to start a Stan war, if y’all just ran out of topics, or if this is a sick joke. But this is the most disrespectful story I have ever seen. Mariah is a living legend, the audacity… I cannot deal.

      • Dee August 10, 2015

        Ri is doing her thing but Mariah is a legend . If ri is the new Mariah then I feel sorry for this generation ????

      • Taylor November 19, 2015

        I think Rihanna is definitely The Mariah Carey of this Generation due to her sells and story and Careers. Learn how to read. But definitely not the talent and i’m a Navy

    • Marc August 10, 2015

      I’m SORRY!!!! RIHANNA???? ACCOLADES???? The MARIAH of 2015????? WHEN DID SHE “LEARN” HOW to SING!!!! LMAO!!!! HOW “INSULTING” to even SUGGEST SHE is the NEW MARIAH!!!! YOU’R HEAD ING SHOULD READ: THE “DEMOLITION” of SINGING in 2015!!!! That’s MORE BEFITTING!!! WHAT A “JOKE”of an article!!!!!!

    • truth(nicki the reason A.I. is cancelled and Meek playn ha!!) August 10, 2015

      SHADE honey!!!!

    • MISSY August 11, 2015

      How dare you mention Mariah Carey in the Same sentence with her. A lesser.

      Mariah Carey, Songwriter, Icon, Legend, Vocalist.

      Mariah, Elvis, Beatles, Aretha, Whitney, Prince, Michael Jackson.

      Rihanna, Keyshia Cole, Beyonce, Mya, Ciara, Usher.

      Girl bye, this website be on some Bull-S**t.

    • MISSY August 11, 2015

      Whitney’s Arista Greatest Love of All was the greatest female vocal I’ve ever seen. The way she changes the song from a Gospel Pop ballad into a Jazzy almost Opera ballad. Is breathtaking.

      Whitney was sheer vocal power, Mariah carey has a beautiful tone and lyrics. But Whitney was epic power and those beautiful notes just floated over those keys

  2. Girl hush August 10, 2015

    Girl………………

  3. Shonyonce Minaj August 10, 2015

    I can’t wait to see the blood bath that is about to ensue *warms tea*polishes shades*

  4. christinastherealtalent August 10, 2015

    Really? Try the Madonna of her generation. At least Mariah can sing and at one point in her career, she could dance. #missmewiththat

    • pat August 10, 2015

      Marian could NEVER dance

      • Tyler Makivelli August 10, 2015

        Neither can Rihanna, with the exception of those stupid finger guns and weak ass dutty whine

      • Lake Erie August 10, 2015

        Gtfoh!!!!! @TylerMakivelli lmao. I am dead. Lmao.

  5. JT August 10, 2015

    well this is one of the dumbest articles I’ve seen all day…

  6. DelusionalStans August 10, 2015

    This whole article is garbage and only That Grape Juice’s skewed opinion. You are seething that Rihanna has had so much success even though your site has attempted to bash her throughout her entire career.

    Your site is the worst music blog on the web.

  7. Molly August 10, 2015

    *Screams* I can’t with this BULLSHIITT ASS HEADLINE. Don’t ever compare that girl to Legendary Carey.

  8. OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

    So what this idiot is trying to say is that Crackney wans’t Clive Davis’ puppet? Except unlike Mariah, she never left his strings and was happy to let him control her career for her entire life.

    • SCALPING THOTS August 10, 2015

      GIRL, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO START OFF BY COMPLIMENTING THIS THOT AT THE BOTTOM, CUZ RIHANNA BY NO MEANS SHOULD EVER BE COMPARED TO MARIAH CAREY. IT WASN’T UNTIL I SAW U MAKE SUCH A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT, THAT U SET MY INNER DOG BARK FREE GIRL. U LAMBS TRULY ENVY MS. HOUSTON. U REMIND ME OF THAT MARIAH SONG, EVEN THO I TRY, U CAN’T LET GO. SOMETHING DEEP INSIDE BOTHERED YOUR SOUL GIRL! WHITNEY DIDN’T HAVE TO HOP IN BED WITH THE MAN WHO MADE HER CAREER HAPPEN. MARIAH HAD TO TURN A TRICK & THEN GIVE TOMMY CONTROL OF HER LIFE & BEDROOM JUST TO BE A FORCE IN THE INDUSTRY. YUCK. DON’T TELL ME SHE WAS A TEENAGER IN LOVE& DIDN’T SEE A CAREER OPPORTUNITY OUT OF IT. NO MAN SHE DEALT WITH AFTER TOMMY LOOKED ANYTHING LIKE HIM. NOW SHE’S THE BIGGEST PUPPET OF ALL. B**** TAKE YO MEDS LIKE UR BOOZE LOVING FAV DOES, MINUS THE SPLASHES.

      • Terny August 11, 2015

        Why you mad?..u sound dumb

  9. Keri Qween August 10, 2015

    Whitney>Mooriah

    And yass to Rih allegedly being a Beyonce clone and surpassing her on the hot 100 and becoming an icon herself in the process ????

    • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

      Whitney didn’t have half of Mariah’s natural talent during her prime.

      • TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

        I’m convinced you’re on drugs. Mariah is a queen but talent wise, she had nothing on Whiteney. Hell, she’s not as talented as Celine

      • Legendtina August 10, 2015

        Ok, now I’m convinced you’re a delusional troll

      • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

        Nothing on Whitney? You’re either delusional or stupidly biased. Probably both. Mariah as a larger range, a better technique, is a songwriter, has perfect pitch, and has unmatched vocal agility. That’s just scraping the surface. Mariah always puts musicality first, whereas Whitney always put herself looking impressive first.

        Whitney was the better live performer. I’ll give her that.

      • TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

        once again, a failed attempt at sounding intelligent. I guess you studied music and you actually understand the voice. Where did you study at?

      • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

        The fact that you disagree with all my fact based points while bringing in a red herring tells me that you simply prefer Whitney. You are welcome to your preference, just don’t pretend that it’s based on technical prowess.

    • Tyler Makivelli August 10, 2015

      I should report ur dumb ass for even saying that. Mariah was a great vocalist, but for you to say that shes a better vocal technician than Whitney is blasphemous!!
      Mariah is Whitenys lessor in that regard. And Rihanna is Beyonces #DealWithIt!

      • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

        Hilarious. Whitney never had perfect technique like Mariah did when she started. There has never been a more technically proficient singer in Pop music than Mariah Carey. I’m sorry that you believe being a singer from the “Church” is more technical than being a singer from an opera background (you know where it’s all about technique and not all about shouting).

      • Tyler Makivelli August 10, 2015

        B****, shut the f*** up. Mariah doesnt have the power, finesse, or pitch control that Whitney has. Nonetheless, Mariah is arguably one of the best vocalist in music history. So sit and stop jumping into my reply section because u know I dont like ur ass.

    • SCALPING THOTS August 10, 2015

      AGAIN, UR JOKING RIGHT GIRL? MARIAH’S DONE SOME MAGICAL THINGS IN THE STUDIO, BUT SHE’S OFTEN LEFT A LOT TO BE DESIRED LIVE. THERE’S NOTHING COMPARABLE ABOUT THEIR TECHNIQUES LIVE, WHITNEY CHEST VOICE IS JUST AS IMPRESSIVE AS HER UNMATCHED CONTROL & CLARITY. MARIAH DOESN’T DISPLAY MUCH CONFIDENCE UNTIL SHE’S IN HER HEAD VOICE. THOSE WHISPERS BEFORE SHE CLIMAX ARE DIZZYING &HARD TO MAKE OUT. HER NATURAL VOICE IS VERY THIN. CELINE BLOWS THIS B**** TOO. IF MARIAH DIDN’T HAVE THAT MINNIE RIPERTON HIGH PITCH NOTE EARLY ON IN HER CAREER, THAT IMO WAS ONLY DONE PROPERLY ON A GOOD DAY, SHE WOULDN’T BE PUT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS THE OTHER 2. MARIAH NEVA HAD THE CONTROL CELINE &WHITNEY DID. NO SHADE.

      • TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

        @scalp, you better educate em!!!!

      • Tyrese August 11, 2015

        I hate when people talk like they know wtf they talking about. Clearly you don’t. While Whitney was a better live performer, that’s due only to her have greater presence and the fact Mimi had severe stage fright. But her vocal ability is even to Whitney’s and greater than Celine’s… Mariah has a vaster range as we all know, but her agility and control are past that of miss. Houston’s…. Mariah’s use of melisma was also tighter and quicker while she maintained clearly hitting each and every note in the phrasing. Research is your friend

  10. OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

    Don’t even get me started on impact. Mariah’s impact completely overshadows Whitney’s. Whitney had a great voice, but she didn’t do anything that hadn’t already been done before. Mariah on the other hand, displayed vocal ability and technique that was unheard of in Pop music. She had Operatic level technique and inhuman natural ability.

    I don’t even know what to say about this bull5hit site sometimes.

    • TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

      Two words. Minnie ripperton. Mariah can sing but let’s not pretend like she was so innovative!

      • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

        Who said anything about her whistle register. Mariah is the most gifted whistle register user, but her vocal agility and technique was far more impressive than her whistle register ever was. It allowed her to do runs that cannot be reproduced by anyone.

    • Legendtina August 10, 2015

      Typical delusions of lambs. Mariah was a vocal technician but she did not introduce a technique unheard of in pop music. Melisma and whistle tones were on the radio before her, she merely helped make them incredibly commercial.

      • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

        She introduced a new level that has yet to be matched. That and she popularized the rap collaboration in Pop music.

    • SCALPING THOTS August 10, 2015

      GURL STOP. MARIAH’S HAD AN AMAZING CAREER. BUT DON’T BRING UP IMPACT. SHE FALLS BEHIND EVERY DIVA THAT CAME OUT BEFORE HER & I’M NOT EVEN BEING BIAS. ONE SWEET DAY HAD A GOOD PAYOLA RUN, CUSE ME, LONG LASTING RUN ON THE HOT 100. NO ONE REFERENCES THAT SONG THO. BELIEVE ME IT’S FORGOTTEN & CELINE’S MY HEART WILL GO ON, WHITNEY’S I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU, MADONNA’S VOGUE, JANET’S RHYTHM NATION, ARETHA’S RESPECT REMAIN WAY MORE VALUABLE TO MZ. POP CULTURE.

      • Stephy August 10, 2015

        Why are you comparing One Sweet Slayage (which by the way was #1 for so long, mostly due to SINGLE sales NOT airplay), too Celine’s & Whitney’s biggest hit. All I Want For Christmas is Mariah’s most memorably & solid hit. And, it wasn’t even a top 20. That song has managed to sell almost 15 million singles globally. It’s right up there with Vogue, I Will Always Love You, Billie Jean etc….

      • Tyrese August 11, 2015

        Mariah’s impact less than the previous divas…. That’s pure and simple nonsense…. Mariah’s impact is TOPS. Where should I start? How about her influencing every vocalist of the last 25 years? Or her bridging two genres and perfecting a formula used by damn near everyone today? Or how about having songs like All I Want For Christmas which goes #1 on the charts Every Year, even 20 years after it’s debut… Or having We Belong Together ranked in the top ten of best songs of all time? Or maybe it’s her being the only diva to make a comeback and be fresh in the minds of the newer generation??? Let’s not try Mimi now

      • SCALPING THOTS August 11, 2015

        U LAMBS ARE SO OUTRAGED, THAT U CAN’T BEGIN TO MAKE SOUND ARGUMENTS IN A JUDICIOUS MANNER. MARIAH’S INFLUENCED ARTISTS, BUT WHAT SHE HASN’T DONE IS GIVEN US A SONG AS DEEPLY TREASURED AS ALL THE SONGS THAT CAME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. ONE SWEET DAY IS HER BIGGEST HIT, WHICH IS WHY I CHOOSE IT AND IT’S JUST AS FORGETTABLE AS BOY II MEN. ALTHO THOSE GUYS SHOULDN’T BE. SORRY GIRL, I’M NOT GOING TO PUT A CHEESY CHRISTMAS JINGLE UP THERE WITH ALL THE ANTHEMS I’VE BROUGHT UP THAT LEFT AN IMPACT ON POP CULTURE. WE CAN DEBATE ABOUT MARIAH HAVING A CLASSIC ALBUM OR BEING A VOCAL INFLUENCE, BUT THE SONG THING WOULD BE A BIG FAT LIE. SUCCESS VS IMPACT, IT’S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ANOTHER THING U GUYS KILL ME WITH, YA’LL ALWAYS CREDIT MARIAH FOR BRIDGING GENRES TOGETHER. DIDN’T BLONDIE HAPPEN BEFORE MARIAH? IT’S THE FIRST #1 SONG TO FEATURE RAP. WHITNEY’S MY NAME IS NOT SUSAN WITH MONIE LOVE IN 1991 AND JANET’S ALRIGHT WITH ME WITH HEAVY D IN 199O CAME BEFORE MARIAH’S RAP FEATURE IN THE MID 90’S. THIS ISN’T EVEN SOMETHING THEIR FANS CLAIM, BUT LEAVE IT TO THIRSTY ASS LAMBS TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE MARIAH ONCE AGAIN INVENTED SOMETHING. RUN DMC & AEROSMITH PROLLY DESERVE MORE PROPS FOR THE CONCEPT OF GELLING AS ARTISTS WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOUNDS THAT JUST BOUT ANYONE. ONE MORE THING, MARIAH NEEDED A COMEBACK 15 YEARS AFTER HER DEBUT. I’M NOT SLAMMING HER FOR NEEDING TO MAKE ONE SO LONG AFTER HER DEBUT, BUT THERE ARE SOME WOMEN THAT DIDN’T NEED ONE SO EARLY IN THERE CAREERS. IT’S FEW, BUT THEY EXIST. IT’S NOT EASY BEING RELEVANT 15 YEARS AFTER UR START, BUT NOT EVERYONE RAN INTO THESE PROBLEMS. YA’LL KEEP DOING THIS THING WHEN IT COMES TO MARIAH, YA’LL ACT LIKE SHE’S DOING SOMETHING LARGER THAN LIFE, LIKE SHE’S MJ. SOME ARTIST ACTUALLY WENT 15 YEARS STRAIGHT WITHOUT A FLOP.

      • Tyrese August 11, 2015

        Wether you want to or not that “Christmas jingle” is up there with those classic songs what other songs can go #1 every year??? 20 years later and it’s still doing… It’s know my multiple generations. Plus you said yourself impact isn’t the same as success… While one sweet day is her most successful… Others like hero, we belong together and aiwfciy have had bigger impact…. Hero gets covered every single YEAR…..that beats out a lot of the songs you made….

  11. DEL BEY August 10, 2015

    This website is far too camp and bitchy, and that’s coming from me

    • Lea August 11, 2015

      Ok gul, and who are you?

  12. Molly August 10, 2015

    Mariah shittts on Whitney,Janet,Madonna Celine and the rest of those OLD TIRED hoees!!!

    • Lea August 11, 2015

      @Molly, yea gul you aint lying and they all were able to sell way past their prime as well. They were all still selling records with sold out tours after their 3rd album.

  13. Linda August 10, 2015

    Just finished reading and I’m Lmao. this is the dumbest article of 2015 from TGJ so far. like what the f***?

  14. OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

    I also find it very entertaining that That Thighyonce Juice completely ignores the fact that Thighyonce is just a Tina Turner clone, minus all the originality of course.

    • Legend B August 10, 2015

      Thats Queenyonce to f*****. Queen Bey and Tina Turner are nothing alike. The only thing is they’re beasts on stage.

    • Lea August 11, 2015

      Preach gul!

    • Terny August 11, 2015

      “That Thighyonce Juice” *Scream*.. Lmao ????????????

  15. Molly August 10, 2015

    Mariah relys on TALENT
    Rihanna relys on her pusssy..

  16. That’s … Hot August 10, 2015

    I’m not a Mariah fan, but you gotta give credit where is due … It’s insulting to compare Rihanna with her or any of the old-school vocalists.

  17. #1lamb August 10, 2015

    And finally TGJ forces me to never come here again. This was a terrible and childish write up. I can not with this site any longer.

  18. Chaelin Lee (p.k.a – CL) is coming | 재 이현 김 August 10, 2015

    Euw NO no

  19. Tyler Makivelli August 10, 2015

    The Mariah Carey of our generation!??? LIES! When Rihanna sings its sounds like shes repeating my muthafuckin order at McDonalds…and Im NOT lovin it!!!!!

  20. Theman August 10, 2015

    Rashad you better sit your whack ass down. Mariah fails in comparison to who? Hopefully, you’re not speaking of the very woman that she’s surpassed in many many aspects. Also, releasing a ton of albums doesn’t mean that they will all be successful….

  21. TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

    The article was unnecessary !!!

  22. Fancy BISH August 10, 2015

    We’re just gonna act like this never happened TGJ…lol…I KINDA see what you’re TRYING (HARD) to say…the pictures look cute tho…and Jay and Tommy look handsome in that picture too…but overall, this one truly is a HELL NO…lol 🙂
    http://giphy.com/gifs/nick-jonas-gif-anon-oUaSwa1YoakjC

  23. Theman August 10, 2015

    Mariah at her best is the greatest complete female singer. She has hit on all cylinders. TF are you talking about? Her voice knows no boundaries.

  24. Legendtina August 10, 2015

    So I guess I’m the only one who actually understood what they were trying to say. I swear you guys just read the headline and scroll down to the comment section. Nowhere in the article did they compare talent or impact, it clearly says they were noting the similarities in their career paths sofar. That being said, other than their chart run and how they were initially signed and marketed, I don’t see any similarities in their careers. Mariah went the commercial route but was still a true artist behind it all. Rihanna is more akin to Madonna and Britney: known for hits and pop culture and not as real artists.

    • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

      So you completely ignored the obvious shade thrown in by putting those stupid videos where Whitney supposedly throws digs at Mariah, or the fact that he calls her a clone, or that he says she failed to have the same impact? Come on now.

    • Pray for #R8 August 10, 2015

      I got what the article was trying to do. But Rihanna taking a similar path to fame as Mariah does not make her the “Mariah of this generation”. That’s the reach of the century. “Nowhere in the article did they compare talent or impact”… that’s everyone’s point. That’s what makes the article so stupid. How did TGJ conclude that Rihanna is her generations “Mariah” without factoring in the obvious??? That being talent, impact, etc etc. because that criteria is very important when making a claim like that. I do agree with the latter of your comment though.

  25. AnnaliseKeatingsNewWig August 10, 2015

    I’ve seriously never laughed so hard at A post title! CHRIST! thatThirstjuice is trying and failing as always LMAO, Find me a credible website or blog that made the same comparison with proper proof. If you’re going to base it on the hot 100, then you may as well compare her to Elvis Presley too. You compared them against everything but actual talent, and it’s insulting to even mention them in the same sentence.

  26. Centurion August 10, 2015

    Did Rashit contract whatever disease Sam brought with him from Nigeria ? LOL. This is the most delusional post I’ve seen in a long time. I’m not shocked though. Rashit has never been an advocate for Mariah or Rihanna. The Mariah hate is understandable since he’s a Madge.
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    Anyway, this entire post is bullsh*t and full of fallacy. Rihanna is coming with the most highly anticipated album which has already swamped 2 platinum singles. SMH. http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-as-if-b****-please-dislike-dismissed-do-not-want-oh-please-Rihanna-shade-throwing-shade-yeah-right-GIF.gif

    • Arianator Barb August 10, 2015

      Why are you always talking about Nigeria? Would you shut the f*** up already

  27. Arianator Barb August 10, 2015

    Interesting comparison but she’s much more like Madonna.

  28. S****** Blonde August 10, 2015

    No, just no, Mariah was a mega album seller, Rihanna’s best selling single (singles are Rihanna’s stronger point) don’t even come close to Mariah’s best selling album so no, Rihanna is “huge” for her generation standars of SUCCESS, Mariah was really huge, there’s no comparison.

  29. JOHNVIDAL August 10, 2015

    Retarded post!
    For this comparison to be possible Rihanna should have been at least really successful when it comes to album sales too. Which she has never been. Her sales are very mediocre for the exposure and support she has had.
    I´m not even going to go there with the talent, the voice, the songwriting skills, the type and quality of the music…
    The answer is no. Just no. Mariah was way more successful than Rihanna and in an era with way more huge talented competition btw.

  30. Stephy August 10, 2015

    The only thing I agree with is the stage presence part… Both Mariah & Rihanna are HORRIBLE live performers (imo). Rihanna only gets by off of her beauty. She’s so boring to me. And, Mariah just stands there & wiggles her fingers. Rihanna only sounds good when the song is sung LOW, SLOW & carefully. Mariah was a great LIVE singer from 1990 – 1996. After that, she became a mediocre LIVE vocalist & a certified STUDIO singer. I don’t know what happened between 1996 – 1997.. But, her voice just went DOWN!
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    Rihanna can’t sing at all to me, period. She sounds like a GOAT farm animal. She’s nasal & lacks rawness. Most of the time, she’s just talk-singing throughout the song. Not even, putting forth the effort in trying to match her auto-tuned STUDIO recordings. In conclusion, BOTH are studio singers overall. Mariah was a LIVE singer for the first 6 years of her career tho. I don’t know what happened. Rihanna NEVER could sing to me. She just has a unique tone & catchy music.
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    To be fair, they’re NOT on the same level when it comes to commercial success. Rihanna DOES NOT sell albums, period. She’ll never achieve a DIAMOND LP nor shift over 20,000,000+ albums in America. Mariah’s singles domination was manipulated from payola & discounted prices. She was an R&B artist, dominating the POP charts. How does that even happen? By, having the HEAD of Sony promote your R&B songs HEAVLY on POP (white dominated) radio. Music Box & Daydream are Mariah’s only Pop era’s (white washed). She was NEVER a full on Pop star. So, you can’t really compare them as a singles chart peers.
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    Rihanna’s SINGLES success is not of a Mariah but of a modern day MADONNA. She’s a GLOBAL selling SINGLES/CHARTING pop star. This is the same GLOBAL singles POWER Madonna achieved from 1984 – 2008. Rihanna pretty much follows the blueprint laid out by Miss Madonna. Be very creative, colorful & exciting. Cater towards the WHITE audiences. Do lots of DANCE/POP oriented anthems. Those types of songs will spread like wildfire in Europe. And, WILL make you a singles charting Queen! She’s more so of the new MADONNA (without the excellent creativity, massive ALBUM sales & determination), rather than Mariah.
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    Mariah Carey didn’t just sing what was given to her… But, she wrote, produced & composed her OWN material. That’s something Rihanna really does NOT do. She’s just a Pop star. Nothing More, Nothing Less. And, she plays her role very well.
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    Rihanna is NOT the new Mariah, but she’s is the new RIHANNA

      • TheElusiveLamb August 10, 2015

        Don’t forget the live G5 in Love Story at BET Blueprint.

      • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

        I was not blessed enough to catch that one before it was removed. The only live Love Story performance I’ve seen is the acapella video she made for MTV.

    • RJJ12 August 10, 2015

      I”m going to leave this right here. Live vocals from her last show. She actually sang the second verse of Honey live. When has she ever done that? She is getting better.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH5nZ3XHSW0

    • AnnaliseKeatingsNewWig August 11, 2015

      SCREAMING at Rasheeda clocking my teas and changing the video I posted 😆 Not a K.Michelle fan are you babygurl? At least you weren’t petty enough to remove my comment like Deletevid aka David, and luckily for you I’m a Lisa Fischer fan.

      +1 point

  31. Slayty Perry (Emmy nominated VEVO Queen) August 10, 2015

    An interesting comparison but no. Mariah sold albums and is respected as not only a vocalist but a musician as well. She writes and produces and has set trends in music like pop acts working with rappers. Rihanna’s album sales are underwhelming for her status, even considering the current climate. Rihanna is still a puppet who neither writes nor produces. She isn’t a musician and the only field she sets trends in and has respect in is fashion. As far as the tired old diva debate goes, I stan Mimi but Celine is the best out of the 3. Mariah had technique, Whitney had soul and power but Celine has both. She has a catalog of timeless classics (though not my cup of tea) and she can still sell to this day. Her last album sold between 1.5 million and 2 million worldwide if Im not mistaken. Celine has a loyal and dedicated audience and she’ll likely be able to sell for years to come, something MC and Whitney wouldn’t be able to do as their music is much more commerical and of the moment.

    • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

      To be fair, Celine has the Canadian and French markets locked down. The only artist that’s on her level in France is Mylene Farmer.

    • Stephy August 10, 2015

      Yes, I agree. Celine is the only one still standing out of the vocal trinity. Mariah lost her way… And, Whitney RIP. Celine is soooooooooooooooooooooooo not my tea tho.

  32. Stephy August 10, 2015

    I know this is VERY hard to digest… And, I’m NOT a delusional STAN (I don’t like the word LAMB) of Mariah’s. But, Mariah is/was more MUSCIALLY talented than Whitney Houston & Celine Dion.

    Granted, YES! Both, Celine & Whitney were FAR better LIVE vocalist & overall singers (in or out the studio) than Mariah was. That’s mostly due to the fact that Nippy & Horseline were NATURAL powerhouse vocalist. Mariah was NEVER a full on powerhouse vocalist. What she had was excellent resonance in her upper chest belting voice. But, it wasn’t backed with extreme power & perfect CONTROL like Celine & Whitney had.

    There is MORE to artistry & musicality than just being a loud mouth screaming vocalist. Both, Madonna & Mariah were/are more talented (Musically Speaking) than Whitney & Celine were/are. The only thing they have over MC were POWERFUL vocals, that’s it. And, if that’s what makes you more talented as an artist… Then, we minus well say every Baptist Church sanger of the LORD is far more talented than Mariah too. Because, they would BLOW Mariah off the stage with the quickness. Some can even blow CELINE DION off the stage too. But, having better vocals doesn’t mean your more talented than the next artist.

    • OMG Logic!!! August 10, 2015

      A statement like this is one I can fully agree with. I do consider myself a stan, but I fully accept that Mariah has never been the most consistent live vocalist simply due to the nature of her voice. Fortunately, she’s always had the artistry to compensate for that.

    • TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

      Whitney was not just a church singer, she was a trained vocalist . Her mother, cousins where professional singers. She was not only a belter… Her tone, how melodic her voice was, how her voice resonated and 4-5 octave range Is what set her apart. I agree that Mariah was all around a better artist as far as writing and producing.

      FYI, You can not execute a Whitney song without being technically proficient. Your breathing technique has to be on point. Hence the reason when people emulate her, it never sounds as good.

      • Stephy August 10, 2015

        And, that’s why Whitney is praised musically only for her VOICE! Mariah HAD hint word HAD… Vocals (although not better than Whitney, but still great in her heyday), song writing, composing the actual MUSIC & producing skills. Which overall, makes her a more TALENTED musical artist than Whitney THE VOICE Houston. That’s what the Lambs are trying to say dahhhhhling… But, I know very well how trained Whitney was… But, she was a CHURCH Sanger FIRST, period. Lisa Fischer was a trained vocalist too, and a better singer than Mariah (imo). Never understood, why Miss thang didn’t stay a solo singer. She was a beast! I’ve been obsessed with this performances…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXDF_V32ZOU

      • TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

        Lisa Fischer is everything!!!

      • DD August 10, 2015

        @ Stephy – Lisa Fischer is the truth. She stepped away as a lead because she said it just wasn’t her style. I’m guessing the s*** look to sell when she has a voice of a goddess and can still hit and maintain the whistle notes while others can’t hit the most basic notes of a song. To me as far as female vocalists go it’s Whitney, Lisa Fischer and then Chante Moore. Mariah’s top 10 but not top five for me. Also, you should check out the documentary 20 Feet From Stardom if you’re interested in what Lisa’s up to now.

    • coolness August 10, 2015

      I always find your comments to be on point! You frankness >>> Er, I don’t think Celine was a more talented singer than Mariah though. Especially not in the studio where the latter was at her most comfortable. In fact, it is the very reason why her live performances often paled in comparison to her studio recordings because she spent so much time in the studio honing her craft. Yes, Whitney and Celine possessed more powerful singing voices but Mariah had the upper hand in technicality and musicianship.

    • metzo August 10, 2015

      Agreed. You’re very knowlegeable about music btw.
      Though I think Mariah (arguably) had better technique and Control than Celine and Whitney. These 3 women are no doubt some of the best singers of ALL TIME.
      In my sincere opinion,
      Mariah>Toni Braxton> Celine> beyonce ( 2013- present) > Whitney>Brandy.
      These are notable outstanding female singers if yoou take into account range, control, technique, tone, belts, vibrato, crescendo, low notes, high notes, longest note held, harmonies, head voice, melisma and charisma.


      Whitney has a powerful one but her voice is not versatile to me

    • SCALPING THOTS August 10, 2015

      LAMBS LIKE TO ONLY PLAY TOWARDS MARIAH’S STRENGTHS. I DO AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT STEPHY HAD TO SAY HERE, BUT THERE IS MORE TO BEING AN ICONIC ARTIST THAN SONGWRITING. WE ALL RESPECT THE CRAFT, NO DOUBT. BUT THAT TALENT ALONE DOESN’T MAKE AN ARTIST SURPASS ALL THE OTHER TALENTS OF THOSE THAT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT MAKES THEM SPECIAL. BEING A CAPTIVATING, CHARISMATIC VOCALIST, WITH STAGE PRESENCE LIKE NO OTHER IS JUST AS RARE TO FIND AS A GENIUS SONGWRITER. SOME HAVE ONE TALENT OR THE OTHER & SOME HAVE BOTH LIKE STEVIE WONDER OR PRINCE. I LOVE WELL WRITTEN SONGS, BUT IF U DON’T ENGAGE AN AUDIENCE U MIGHT AS BE A BABY FACE & FIND A MUSE. SOME OF U KEEP CALLING MARIAH A COMPLETE PACKAGE &IN ALL HONESTY SHE WASN’T.

      • Stephy August 10, 2015

        I never said she was the “complete package”. And, please turn that caps locks off. It’s blinding me. Mariah was a boring performer, I agree. But, that wasn’t her talent. Her talent was vocals, songwriting & producing. That’s MORE to the craft of MUSIC… Than, being a performer. Many, many artist can tare that stage up… But, most of them cannot make music from scratch. That’s all I’m saying… And, I’m a performer myself. I can dance my ASS off. But, I cannot write a song to save my life.

  33. Queen GODriah LEGENDrey August 10, 2015

    Mariah Carey >>> DEADney, THIEFyonce, R****

    two songs of the decade

    writing Vision of Love? Inspiring Tupac Shakur when he was in prison.

    18 #1 global hits

    all i want for christmas is you

    IMPACT, INFLUENCE AND PRESTIGE as no other ! (beside MJ)

  34. Arianator Barb August 10, 2015

    Beyonce= New Janet
    Rihanna= New Madonna
    ?= New Mariah

  35. TheElusiveLamb August 10, 2015

    I REFUSE to take a side on this stupid ass article. If that’s how you see MC & Rihanna, then why do you even report and “write articles” on their artistry?? Just make this site a Whitney Houston & Beyoncè w/ friends fan site and call it a day. It’s so sickening that every article you girls write always contains shade or extreme levels of delusion. If you have that much hate in your heart, then it’s time you get on your knees for a different cause … to pray.

  36. Stephy August 10, 2015

    And, I’m not trying to be mean or shady. I’m just speaking that TRUE tea. I actually, love Mariah & Rihanna. But, I don’t ignore their flaws at all. That’s a cute picture of MC & Rih tho. Rihanna like, “I’m coming for that Hot 100 record b****” (Lol).

  37. Theman August 10, 2015

    Neither Celine or Whitney are greater singers than Mariah. She is technically superior to both. They may be better live interpreters. But that’s it. Power has nothing to do with anything. There are people with less power that are better singers than people who shout all the time. Celine is very talented. But her technique couldn’t touch Mariah’s. Mariah is a more skilled singer/artist than both. Her resonance is greater than theirs also. Holding long nasal notes does not make you greater either. Sure MC was inconsistent but nonetheless still great. She has had many performances after 97 where she was amazing. WH & CD have also had some performances that weren’t as stellar as others.

    • Terny August 11, 2015

      I totally agree it’s the reason why Mariah is the standard. She’s a complete singer in the essence of the word “singer”. Both WH & CD lacked some qualities of which Mariah has in droves. She’s the one.

    • ran August 11, 2015

      The only thing that Mariah had over Whitney and Celine was that she was original trained in Opera(her mother) which have usually they have better vocal technique and vocal ranges(Notes and tone). Whitney started out as Gospel and Celine Pop Classical. Most vocal teachers could tell you Mariah contour and work registers (back and forth chest and head voice) that made her seem she had good resonance. Mariah lacked the versatility that Celion and Whitney could sing in between the ranges to Jazz, Musical Pop, Opera, R&B, Gospel. Its has nothing to do with Power but key vocalization which Mariah usually does have an awesome voice technique but Whitney and Celine are superior with their mastery melodies, harmonies and use of different pitches.

  38. Slay_Hive August 10, 2015

    Girl bye!! Why are they constantly trying to hype this girl up this era? One thing Mariah had, and will always be respected for, is TALENT! Not just quick McSingles with no meaning. Where is this album at? I wanna see what she is to be “reckoned” for in 2015!

  39. Theman August 10, 2015

    Mariah of the three uses her voice like a real instrument. The other two just sing. MC>WH>CD. Overall Mariah is simply more well rounded….

  40. Stephy August 10, 2015

    Beyonce= New Janet
    Rihanna= New Madonna
    ?= New Mariah
    ————————–
    ————————–
    1.) Beyonce is NOT the new janet by any means… She’s more-so the new TINA TURNER. A way more successful & better vocalist updated version of Tina Turner.
    .
    2.) Rihanna is ONLY comparable to Madonna in terms of GLOBAL SINGLES domination. But, Rihanna does fall under the School House Of Madonna’s clones… Along with Katy Perry. But, overall Rihanna’s her own artist.
    .
    3.) Mariah Carey has had a string of “new Mariah’s”, one being your own fave. But, there will never be another. Just like with other irreplaceable legends.

    • Legend B August 10, 2015

      NO Lies Detected

    • JOHNVIDAL August 11, 2015

      Stephy
      One thing love: Tina Turner>>> Beyonce
      There´s something important too: natural presence and originality. You could never be as moved by a Beyonce concert as with one of Tina Turners tremendous concerts when she was 50 years old already. Beyonce is completely staged and has taken too many things from other artists.
      Tina is probably the most special and bad-ass female performer of all time.

  41. Queen GODriah LEGENDrey August 10, 2015

    Well, to be fair he did say that Mimi & Riri are more successful than the other 2. Oop

    • Legend B August 10, 2015

      If so, they have released way more albums than the other two. #Opps

  42. coolness August 10, 2015

    Wow this is mad low. I’m not sure if Rashad, the writer of this piece has a problem with Mariah (I know a lot of y’all have called David out on this) but it’s quite clear this was done to undermine their efforts in comparison to their respective counterparts, Whitney and Beyonce. First of all, Mariah was the epitome of a supreme pop VOCALIST whereas Rihanna got by with marginal talent as her beauty, style, catchy jingles and persona is what captures audiences. I agree with both of them being shaky live performers but at least Mariah can at least account for some of the most stellar live vocal moments we’ve ever seen in popular music. There’s nothing noteworthy about Rihanna as a performer aside from once again, her s*x appeal. I see the Navy going “YASS, SLAY BAD GAL!!1” at some of the most BASIC live singing.

  43. Theman August 10, 2015

    Lol Lisa Fischer is great singer but even she couldn’t touch Mariah. She didn’t ever quite perform that song the way the studio version was. WH was simply a great singer. Stephy you are utterly delusional. WH could not sing MC songs the way that MC does. WH’s voice also became inconsistent around about 97/98. Heyday or not Mariah could still sang, granted she was inconsistent but still. She is a master at her craft….

  44. #TeamTinashe Stan August 10, 2015

    Y’all always try to find some way to add Beyonce’s name to the equation. ????

    • TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

      Sit!!! Your fave can’t even sit at the table!

  45. ratedxxx August 10, 2015

    I f**** with rihanna and all..but ain’t no way on earth she’s this generation Mariah…

    first of all there will never be another mariah carey.often imitated never duplicated…

    back in the days mariah was known to sell albums without all the extra !oe shid, selling naked a**, touring and promoting….

    bish went 2,3 times diamond just on her name alone

  46. Legend B August 10, 2015

    I kind of get the 5 reasons but you can’t call her the Mariah of this generation. You would have to add singing styles, sales, popularity, stage presence and more. Rih isn’t close in any of those but hits. Hits are the reason why Rih gets whatever praise she receives. Wheres the talent?? All the females name above are praised for their talent first. Rih doesn’t have that, so she gets named aside legends because of singles sales lmao. Most flop sided tragic shiit ever in music.

    • coolness August 10, 2015

      “Hits are the reason why Rih gets whatever praise she receives.” I SEE NO LIES! That and her stunning good looks are the only reasons why she ‘slays’. She’s brought absolutely nothing noteworthy forward as far as talent is concerned.

      • Legend B August 10, 2015

        ????????????????????????

  47. TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

    Kelly price said is best!!!! If you are a great vocal technician, you should be able to execute your music live!!! Hence the reason opera singers are so revered . Some people stand are as delusional as their faves.

    • Lake Erie August 10, 2015

      That’s why I said I’m on the borderline with Tamar Braxton. Something other than that blood vessel burst cuz her voice has not been the same since the very beginning of her Love & War era.

  48. ratedxxx August 10, 2015

    I think rihanna has made her own lane by now..bish is an icon at a young age….

    I just can’t sit here and lie and say she is on mimi’s level…

    the only thing they may have in common..both were known to sell shidload of singles

    but mimi was also known to sell more albums than singles…

    I’m not feeling this new mimi..this need to compete with bishes who cant even touch not even one album of hers…

    but i will always wear my mimi fan hat..

  49. shakira stan August 10, 2015

    One queen and mariah Carey.

  50. Chaelin Lee (p.k.a – CL) is coming | 재 이현 김 August 10, 2015

    Impressed. 90+ comments in and no stan war

  51. Mark111 /.\ August 10, 2015

    Mariah was a better ARTIST than Whitney because she had more control of her music, from writing to production. But Whitney was a FAR better vocalist and performer, and she never tried to be anything other than that (except actress). She didn’t need to, to this day no one can even sing her songs. Grande can sing a MC song, so could Fatina in her early days.
    .
    Beyonce is a great entertainer (tho it’s maily @ss shaking and hair whipping), far better singer than Rihanna, but Rihanna is a better Pop star and muse. Let’s not sit here and act like Beyonce sings these deep meaningful lyics, she’s just as poptart as the rest. She don’t write her songs, so seeing how BOTH don’t write, yet Rihanna have more songs with deep meaning and the widest range from meaningful to pop friendly to street to talking that talk.
    .
    Yes, career wise and success whise, Rihanna is the MC of this gen. Not artist wise, because Rihanna can perform WAY better than MC. I find it funny how the LAMES would call Rih’s music microwavable hits, yet stans for MC. You MUST be too young and a 90s BABY and not a 90s KID because you could go a day, NOT A DAY without hearing or seeing a MC music or video (this is the 90s, MTV was a music video channel then kids.). I didn;t know it was 8 albums then tho. Don’t come to me about albums sales because in the 90s, albums were mainly SHIPMENTS and you should look up a thing called Music Club. Also look up how many times BB changed their rules back then.

    • Pray for #R8 August 10, 2015

      Hmmm… You wrote a lot. You spoke about Rihanna’s position in the industry in comparison to other artists, “career wise”, “success wise”, and “artist wise”. What about “talent wise”? Why didn’t you ever mention that? When it comes to comparing musicians that’s pretty fundamental right? ….So tell me.. How does Rihanna measure up to her industry peers…. TALENT wise???

      • Mark111 August 10, 2015

        Talent is ssubective. I stated that she’s a great and better muse than the other, if you don’t know what that word means, then maybe you should work on increasing your vocabulary in stead of worrying about Rihanna.
        .
        To answer your question, Rihanna’s talent is her voice. Rather YOU think she can sing or not is again, subective, but her voice, her tone matches every type of music, every genre. Rather it’s dance hall, reggae, pop, r&b, dubstep, pop rock, hip hop or even slow jams and ballid. Making her one of the greatest muse in music. Beyonce can’t do that, she’s r&b, a lil pop and hip hop. And to prove that, Beyonce worked with the same writers, producers and rappers AFTER Rihanna most of the time and Rihanna’s work with the same people were WAY more successful. FACT. Have a nice day.

      • Pray for #R8 August 10, 2015

        SCREAMS!!!! You gave me the answer I was looking for with the first three words you typed. My Question: “How does Rihanna measure up to her industry peers” MEANING, In her ten years of experience, has Rihanna ever demonstrated musical ability superior to that of her counterparts regarding any or all skills included in the realm of music? Has she ever displayed DISCERNIBLE TALENT that is just As or More impressive than that of her peers? How does she compare?

        Your Answer: “Talent is subjective” I’M DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

    • coolness August 10, 2015

      Pls!!! Arians Grande shares tonal similarities to Mariah but she doesn’t have the depth, soul and control to tackle her most challenging songs. Imagine her whiny a** doing a Vision of Love cover, lmao ????????????!

      I also can’t with your backhanded comments hurled at Beyoncé. Sure, Bey was never a dancer on the level of a Janet (she doesn’t have the muscle memory to do so) but her dancing is more than hair flipping and a** shaking. At least it’s more than what I can say Rihanna does on stage. Glad you pointed out Bey will smoke Rihanna vocally because that only attests to what a marginal talent she is. Talking about Rihanna is a better Pop star. Whatever helps you sleep at night because at the end of the day, her good looks, fashion icon status and hits cannot compensate for her lack of talent.

      • Pray for #R8 August 10, 2015

        ???????????????????????????????? Exactly. This fool is trying to justify Rihanna’s superiority with his opinions. First he says “talent is subjective”. And then proceeds to say Rihanna is better because she’s a better “muse” …. whet??? How is that measurable??? Lmao. “Rihanna worked with such and such rapper first so she’s better”. ????. School is cool.

  52. Stephy August 10, 2015

    “Impressed. 90+ comments in and no stan war”
    ———–
    That’s what happens when you have grown people, with some common sense, in the comment section.

    • TRUTH SERUM August 10, 2015

      Lol… Death

  53. Stephy August 10, 2015

    Mariah was a better ARTIST than Whitney because she had more control of her music
    —————-
    Why do you think she was allowed freedom with the music? Because, Tommy seen she had the RAW talent to produce/write/compose HIT songs. If, she was a crappy song composer/writer. He wouldn’t have allowed her any control. And, Clive Davis knew Whitney couldn’t write nor compose an entire song alone. That’s why she never explored that side. Because, it wasn’t her apart of her talent. Now, she was forced into writing a lil something on 1 or 2 songs. Due to the actual song writer making her. And, I agree! Her REAL talent was being a live vocalist. Which she was trained since a lil girl to be. Cissy made sure her child was damn near perfect, before she even started recording her debut album.

    • Mark111 /.\ August 10, 2015

      That wasn’t being shady, I was just saying she had creative control. Clive wouldn’t let Whitney write or do anything. I always said that MC is the best female writer EVER, even artist (as a singer, songwriter and vocal arrangements.). MC music is better because it’s way more personal. You felt Whitney’s voice, but her lyrics or subject matter wasn’t powerful. She could perform a song to get you out your seat, but again, it was her voice. People connect more with MC’s music.
      .
      For al we know Whitney could of had more in her, but like you said, Clive wouldn’t let her. Maybe she could had brought a lot more to the table as an artist and a vocalist.

    • Stephy August 10, 2015

      She was sooo sweet. I love her Mark. I’m truly starting to fall in love with Aaliyah. Sad, she’s not here with us anymore. That song “I Care For You” speaks to my soul.

  54. Theman August 10, 2015

    Mark no one takes you serious. Mariah’s music is leaps & bounds above Rihanna’s. No comparison. Mariah is also a greater more versatile singer than WH. WH is a greater performer. Lol @ Rihanna being a better performer than MC. The delusion is real. Rihanna performs like it’s a job. She doesn’t give a damn. It looks like drunk karaoke. And Mariah has sold nearly 60 million in the USA alone. Shipments my a**. Rihanna has sold a measly ten million lol. Stop making excuses. You can’t when Taylor, Beyonce, Ed, Sam & etc sell millions. Music clubs were one portion of the industry. Outside of that Mariah was still ultra successful.. In closing, a Mariah song is way harder to sang than a WH song.

    • Pray for #R8 August 10, 2015

      OMG. I’ve been trying to think of the perfect words to describe Rihanna’s performing skills for years. And you have finally summed it up for me. “Drunk Karaoke”. Thanks.

  55. Molly August 10, 2015

    Only a delusional faggott would think of comparing RihMONKEY to MARIAH CAREY .. Marks sad lonely in the closet ass is so jealous of Mariah… just know Rihanna and Liyah will always be lessers in the eyes of Mariah and Beyonce.

  56. Stephy August 10, 2015

    “Grande can sing a MC song, so could Fatina in her early days.”
    ———————
    You needs to stop fat shamming people, Mark. Miss Tina looks good-T fat or skinny. And, for someone whom is sooooo obsessed with “Oh, she’s a studio vocalist”…. Should know damn well, Ariana could NEVER tackle “Emotions” live and on the spot. To this day, Ariana HAS NOT shown a REAL authentic controlled, clear, strong WHISTLE LIVE, that was done in that STUDIO recorded cover of “Emotions”. And, then you have to take into count the LOW notes. She doesn’t even have a the full or richness of OLD SCHOOL Mariah’s low-mid belts. Not to mention, you can’t understand half the shitt she is saying! Her voice is lighter than MARIAH’S! That right there, should tell you… The lil girl could never sing “Vision Of Love, Emotions, If It’s Over or Forever” LIVE (the way Mariah did AT her AGE), period. So, no. Mariah’s, wait excuse me… OLD SCHOOL Mariah’s songs CANNOT be done justice by Ariana. X-Tina’s voice is too gritty & grimy to execute a Mariah type song live. She would scream & shout her way through the entire song. And, she’s not a natural whistler.
    ————
    Now, I do believe Lisa Fisher or any other SANGER of that status. Would BLOW a Mariah Carey song out the park. But, Ariana? No.

  57. Molly August 10, 2015

    A self hating gay nigggga like @Mark111 fat shaming? kiiii @Stephy Xtina still shitsss on rihnigga and NovocalsLiyah effortlessly

  58. Rosie August 10, 2015

    Late but Rashad, whoever he is, bored? This is probably ugliest post I have ever seen on here. Like its so obvious it’s a slow news day and you all are thirsty for a stan war. And as always you all are just as bored using the free wifi at McDonalds and falling for it.
    In other news, “High By The Beach” is #1 on US iTunes????

  59. BEY>RIH August 10, 2015

    Rihanna is most definitely not MIMI at all… Rihanna isnt really even similar to icons because of the simple fact she doesn’t have much talent. She can be compared to Madonna for her reinvention skills and sexual videos and performances and maybe fashion. Other than that she is just… Rihanna; a nonsinging, nondancing, nonwriting, nonperforming, fashionista, s*** popstar. Beyonce to me is a mixture of MJ because of her presence, performing skills, and fame. Tina Turner because of her energy, raw talent, strength, and performance acclaim. Diana Ross because of her glamour, DC days, and beauty. All of those elements from those 3 legends can be found in Beyonce… Now lets compare Mariah and Rihanna. MiMi: vocal technique, songwriting skills, vocal range, music trendsetter, versatility, musicianship, ALBUM and single sales, combination of hip hop,r&b and pop, her s*** image from 1997-. Rihanna: s***, good girl gone bad image, catchy songs, fashion, single sales. Rihanna and Mariah Carey are simply incomparable because MC wis more than just a superstar and legend, she was a vocalist and a musician. Beyonce is more than just a superstar and icon, she is a vocalist and a performer. Rihanna is none of the above but a superstar.

  60. Yonce on your mouth August 10, 2015

    This article is a Joke! Can’t even bear the foolishness of this site. Don’t compare Rihanna is anyway to anyone that is not Katy perry.

  61. Molly August 10, 2015

    everyone dragging rihaiids im here for it.

  62. Stephy August 10, 2015

    Now, let me say this about the Beyonce Vs Rihanna thingy…
    —————
    Rihanna does have the better catalog of music (even tho that’s an OPINION) & is more successful (on the charts ONLY). But, to me… That’s where it stops. Beyonce is more talented than Rihanna, peirod. She’s more respected than Rihanna, period. She’s more praised than Rihanna, period. And, will LAST LONGER THAN Rihanna, period.
    =============
    To be honest, Beyonce is a bad b****. She don’t on that stage. She truly is the new version of Tina Turner. A woman, that can be a certified VOCALIST and DANCE (whether you think her dancing her good or not) in 6 inch heels for a 2 hour period! That’s a bad b****! And, I truly believe Beyonce can write, YES can write a hit song too. And, has written plenty of songs. To this day, her masterpiece still remains “Survivor”. I believe, she wrote/produced that song. Along with “Independent Women”. No, she’s not on the level of Mariah or Alicia with the pin game. But, she’s certainly higher than Rihanna’s non-existing pin game.
    ——–
    No matter how many #1s Rih achieve. No matter how many records Rihanna sells. Beyonce will ALWAYS be the more respected & praised of the two. Kinda like with MC & Nippy. People will always love & like Whitney better, period. They don’t care that Mariah was a better artist. They don’t care that MC made her own music. They feel in love with Nippy’s charm, personality, heart & most of all VOICE. Those are qualities Mariah didn’t naturally have over Whitney. It’s just the truth. Nippy is like a Auntie that you love. People truly loved, Whitney Houston.

    • ran August 11, 2015

      Most of Rihanna music is hot and trendy. Lets be real just imagine her performing SOS or BBHMM when she is 40. Hot and trendy doesn’t make it a classic. The same with Mariah she has many #1’s but most of them are forgettable forgetable this is why Whitney and Beyonce wins over them. When they get on the stage the bring the audience into them with their talent. Its all about the show this is why Mariah never been a major force on tour.

  63. Theman August 10, 2015

    ^^^^ That’s false. Lately more people have stated Mariah as more of an inspiration. There are also a ton of people that will agree that Mariah has the greater voice. It’s all about preference. With WH & MC it’s different. It’s really just about preference between the two. Now, Beyonce & Rihanna are something different.

    • Stephy August 10, 2015

      Nah, that’s false baby. People loved Whitney. I think it’s more than just for her music. But, for her personality & overall presence as a person. I get the feeling, lots of people only like Mariah’s artistry. They don’t really care for her as a person. Which is the main reason as to why, she has so many haters. Whom LOVES her music, but not her as a person. It makes no sense as to why, her haters knows EVERYTHING about her. Knows every lyrics but steady bashing her.. Then, I put together. They don’t like Mariah.
      —–
      See, Mariah isn’t a normal woman. She really reminds me of Michael Jackson in a way. I think she’s very misunderstood & (take this in the best way) borderline crazy. She’s not politically correct at all. When you do a fully research on her life.. You’ll understand why she is, the way she is. It all makes sense. The same-thing with Michael Jackson. Man, I love MJ. But, he was beyond psychotic. It’s just not even funny. But, lucky for Mariah she doesn’t suffer from illnesses that are against the law… If you know what I mean… I love MC tho. Cause, I understand who she is.

      But, everything I typed is just my opinion. So, don’t take it personally.

  64. BEY>RIH August 10, 2015

    Even tho nothing to do with the subject, I find it amazing how much Beyonce is being compared to these 2010’s popstars. Out of all of the superstar acts of the 1997-2007 era of music, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake and P!nk are the 3 of very few artists who can still score top ten hits, number one albums, and outsell this generation’s popular artists. That speaks VOLUMES. It really shows Beyonce’s longevity how she is constantly compared to Rihanna because she has been compared to hot artists through different eras. How she can remain in the head seat of the music industry’s constantly shifting table (Britney, Xtina, Jlo, Lady Gaga,Ciara, Ashanti, Keri Hilson failed) shows how iconic she is and she will be remembered for generations to come along with JT.

    • ran August 11, 2015

      Ciara and Ashanti failed when R&B became irrelevant to popular music and sales. To be honest Ciara has lasted because she still going top ten R&B. Usher, Brandy, Monica the list goes on but I hate when people keep trying to disown other artist to make is seem its their fault that people like you don’t support them.

  65. BEY>RIH August 10, 2015

    Also LMAO off that R****** saying Rihanna can outperform Mariah and all Beyonce does is shake her ass and weave. I take that over goat/nasal tone vocals, gun fingers, and lazy dutty wines anyday!

  66. Khia On Welfare August 10, 2015

    Sorry mariah may be built like a buick, but she actually can sing and write her music….

    Rihanna may have Billy goat vocals, but she has carved her own lane. Rihanna is an original.

  67. Mark111 August 10, 2015

    I explained everything Cleary. I don’t understand people that ask questions, receives the answer and still have an issue. Some people just want to stan and I’m too grown for that.

    • Stephy August 10, 2015

      So glad, you’re finally growing up. You handled yourself very well in this post.

  68. Theman August 10, 2015

    Yeah what you typed is definitely your opinion. Mariah in seen by some as over the top. However, that doesn’t mean that most people prefer WH to her. Sure there’s a soft spot for WH. But it goes both ways. Mark nothing you said made any sense. No one is asking you questions. You are delusional. So no one cares. Lastly, Mariah gets a ton of love from all over. With greatness comes hate…. So there you have it….

    • Mark111 /.\ August 10, 2015

      Pray for #R8 says:

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      Hmmm… You wrote a lot. You spoke about Rihanna’s position in the industry in comparison to other artists, “career wise”, “success wise”, and “artist wise”. What about “talent wise”?

  69. diabetes unbothered August 10, 2015

    Beyonces name/ brand is so much bigger than rihannas and catalog so much stronger. Rih excels bey in 1 way and 1 way only and thats singles ( and not even by much. Bey has 9 number 1 s with bigger overall impacts than rihs 13.) Unlike rih bey can be compared to whitney mariah and madona and has versatility can sing and dance which they dont have this. Even beys videos are better than rih. Rih cant even dance on the same lvl as michelle from dc3 and barely can sing on michells lvl either. Bey is already on mariahs etc lvl and onlyalready and only 34. Already an icon.

    • BEY>RIH August 10, 2015

      I agree 100% but michelle would sing rih into a gutter!

  70. diabetes unbothered August 10, 2015

    Beys NAME will one day be bigger than said artist ( whitney mariah madonna janet) while rihanna name will remain stuck at a britney spears lvl. Atleast bey can keep up with the generations between briney and taylor swift. This era for r8 has already proven that rihannas career can not with stand a 3 year gap between albums nor can she beat father time. I cant even picture rih being relavant at 30.

    • JOHNVIDAL August 11, 2015

      Beyonce´s name will not be bigger in the future than those you mentioned. Her impact can not be compared to those (Madonna? No hun) in many many countries in the world (for example Spain and many parts of Europe). Beyonce has never had something really big in Spain, and I mean big. Madonna, Whitney and the others have. Only the likes of Michael Jackson have had that tremendous type of global success as those women.

  71. Theman August 10, 2015

    Rihanna has good music too in some form or another. It isn’t like Beyonce’s music is untouchable. As for Lisa Fischer, she’d do a great job with a Mariah song, in her way. But still only Mariah can do her songs the way they were designed.

  72. Truth B Told August 10, 2015

    Whoever came up with this article should be fired. How can you compare someone with beautiful vocals to someone who sound like island goats. Or to someone who writes to someone who is on hooked on phonics. I’m done officially with this site with trash articles like this

  73. cocobutta August 11, 2015

    Let gooo and let GOD with this article.

    Albums sales difference alone is enough not even to have this published.
    As someone said even using Madge would have been better and thats a sin in itself.

    But wont knock the hustle so dust yourself off and try again. Keep your head up Rashad

  74. MeIAmMarie August 11, 2015

    THIS IS THE BIGGEST JOKE I HEARD ALL DAY

    RASHAD U A JOKE LIKE THE GRAMMYS

    HOW RIHANNA HAS MORE GRAMMYS THAN MARIAH ILL NEVER COMPREHEND

    RIHANNA IS A JOKE CANT SING CANT PERFORM LIVE DOESNT WRITE HER OWN MUSIC

    MARIAH IS AN ICON LEGEND RIHANNA COULD NEVER

    HOW DARE U WRITE THIS S***

    MARIAH>>>>WHITNEY
    BEYONCE>>>>RIHANNA

  75. Aj August 11, 2015

    Tgj has been losing readers and Rashad thinks he knows everything hence this article was born. Whilst some of the points are kinda valid one thing has been well and truly glazed over: if Mariah is a copy of Whitney and Rihanna a copy of Beyonce – when all is said and done it’s Whitney and Beyonce that people talk about for their music and will go down in the history books. Rihanna is fast food music and Mariah is ruining her amazing legacy by behaving like a diva.

  76. Sherry August 11, 2015

    Lmfao how random!!!!

  77. RihannaIsMadonna August 12, 2015

    While Beyawnce holds the record for most copyright lawsuits recieved this century haaaaa!

  78. You wanna jbeyok love it right bettor like you do then my funky money August 12, 2015

    I’m not sure about this Mariah Carey and Rihanna fenty music thing but one thing I would say is mrs. Mariah Carey cannon has more music albums then Rihanna

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    Your picture is very nice friend

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